An Intermission. Wistful & Tender.
Jun 11th, 2007 by Jane Devin
I promised you a beginning, a middle and an end. This is none of the above, but a late intermission, a musical side story before the curtain goes back up, a near-ending.
For me, journeys nearing the end are reminiscent of lullabies and other tender, wistful things, but I am a romantic. Not the diamonds, roses, and champagne kind, but the barefoot in the sand, midnight poetry, curled-up-while-it-rains-outside kind. I believe that a passionate kiss can revive the weariest soul and that a handwritten note, scrawled lovingly even on the back of a cocktail napkin, should be kept in a scrapbook with other sweet and sacred memories.
I don’t often get to write romantic stories, but when I do there’s often a song playing softly in the background; lyrics that float around the periphery, reflecting the mood of the love story I wish to tell.
In writing about Anna and Howard, the song is “My Immortal” by Evanesence. The music is sad and haunting, and the lyrics speak to the spirit of love and permanent loss.
You used to captivate me
By your resonating light
Now I’m bound by the life you left behind
Your face it haunts
My once pleasant dreams
Your voice it chased away
All the sanity in me
I could be wrong about the depth of Howard’s anguish. I don’t know him. In fact, I know so little of him that at times I felt I was writing about a television spectre; an unobtrusive background figure who seemingly had only the bare bones of a past before swearing allegiance to the beautiful and troubled Anna Nicole.
I asked Howard’s mother, who once wrote me a letter of appreciation for an article I wrote, about her memories of Howard as a boy. Was he studious? How long did he play football? Did he always want to be an attorney? She graciously declined to answer, citing privacy. As if a single memory of Howard’s innocence, allowed to escape from its secret coffer, would somehow become jaded if let out into the public. She may have been right. The world is often not gentle, but a hard, jagged place full of sharp edges and steep declines. There are people who would roughly push innocence over a cliff for the fleeting and false sensation of standing above a disaster.
It’s beyond certain that I’m casting my own feelings about love and loss on a story not my own, but still. . .
When you cried I’d wipe away all of your tears
When you’d scream I’d fight away all of your fears
And I held your hand through all of these years
But you still have
All of me
These haunting lyrics seem fitting. If not for Howard personally, than as the musical underscore for the love story so many ultimately want to see written as the definitive end to this tragedy. The story of romance. Of two people walking through the fires of anguish and despair together, close, but achingly separate. Him, hopelessly in love, willing to shelve his own life and cater to her every whim if it meant that one day she might love him back fully. Her, unable to break away from decades of emotional turmoil, desperately seeking escape, but adding only more disorder to the chaos.
A joyous birth surrounded by controversy, and a heartbreaking death steeped in mystery would close the gap between them as they sought shelter and relief in each other’s arms. His love and loyalty would be acknowledged at last, and her spirit would finally reach out for the things she always denied herself. True love. Stability. Security. But it wouldn’t last.
I’ve tried so hard to tell myself that you’re gone
But though you’re still with me
I’ve been alone all along
Fate is cruel, and fear can be a wicked enemy, but carelessness is deadly. The amount of pharmaceutical poison that caused Anna’s heart to stop beating would barely fill a shot glass. She might have lived on, to be a mother to Dannielynn and Howard’s finally-faithful lover, but she feared the hospital, and refused to go because of the bad publicity it might bring. She couldn’t have known that her death would cause far more damage than bad publicity, and more grief than natural while mourning.
These wounds won’t seem to heal
This pain is just too real
There’s just too much that time cannot erase
In my mind’s eye, I see a man lying on a grave at two a.m., his heart heavy with sorrow, anger, and despair. This did not have to happen, any of it. He weeps for the boy, the young man he knew for twelve years, and berates himself for what he didn’t know. He loves the woman, curses her, and worships her. He always will.
As I said, this is a romantic story. Not his; not for him; but yours. For those of you who believe that romance lives, even among the tragic ruins.
OH Jane that was beautiful…made me cry. Thanks for all of your beautiful writings.
Jane-Thanks again for another wonderful and well written article that kept me captivated until the end. Your writing to me is like reading a great book and you just hate for it to end. Bravo to you for another great article. I absolutely loved it.
My KT has Evanesence’s Amy Lee all over her wall, so I know the music. This song is very haunting and beautiful.
There is so much that will never be known. Anna said that they were each others best friend and her son was her soul mate. On the “E” special, someone said that Anna came to realize that everyone that she thought was her friend was not really and only just using her.
So who was with her through thick and thin? Hanging back with the doggy carrier and reveling in all her glory.. Well… you know him…
Very beautiful.
Riveting and gripping! A piece I know I will read over and over again.
Jane,
Beautifully written.
Yes, I happen to believe that Howard K Stern loved Anna, yes yes yes, I BELIEVE THAT ROMANCE LIVES.
Tonight, I sat up and watched Greta V.S’ interview with Larry Birkhead, taped at the late Anna Nicole’s home in CA.
And then began rereading this 56-page document:
http://www.artharris.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/opri-6-6-07-response.pdf
Larry might have cared for Anna, and why not, Anna sure was a likable person, but no way, no how, did he care for her in the manner that Howard LOVED Anna.
That above shown pdf docu. is a bombshell. In my opinion, of course. Also, when you study the dates chronicled in it, one could find Larry B’ guilty of having lied under oath in Florida, in Judge Seidlin’s court.
I believe Larry spoke the truth about his relationship with Debra, and on the same token, I also believe Debra’s allegations against him. She did make him sign documents he had no mind to really ponder, and he, in turn, saddled her with some of his personal bills.
No matter what Howard is, gay, bi, or monk, he is a highly intelligent, educated man, a private person, who, for many many years, and for whatever reason, chose to submerge himself in the shadow of Anna Nicole.
Yes, yes yes ROMANCE LIVES.
Even if painted in shades invisible to our eyes.
I hope Howard will be able to remain in Dannielynn’s life. She will need him in the years ahead.
OH JANE, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL LOVE STORY…SO MUCH LOST AND SO MUCH REMEMBERED. WHAT HAPPENED TO ANS AND HKS WAS TRAGIC. I AM SURE ,A PART OF WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN, WILL COMFORT HIS SOUL NOW AND IN THE FUTURE. . YOU SPOKE FROM YOUR HEART AND OURS. THANK YOU FOR A MASTER PIECE .
Jane, another beautiful story.
Jane,
I’m not one to cry easily but this writing brought tears to my eyes. I had just finished a long winded post on QV’s site and came to read your latest article. I was already feeling a need to open up and let some of my emotions release and you managed to help that happen. True love is not always pain free such as we have witnessed with Anna and Howard. There was love, trust, sharing and most of all friendship. This was enough for Howard. We are all sorry it wasn’t enough for Anna. The pain she carried around outrweighed the happiness she could have enjoyed and she allowed herself to become a victim.
Thank you for writing our thoughts so eloquently. You are a superb writer and and your soul has been around for a very long time. I look forward to reading your site and will continue to be a loyal fan.
absolutely beautiful
If only, if only.
Jane, I can’t stop crying, it was so beautiful. I saw the “E” special last night and read your article this morning, and my heart breaks for Howard all over again.
Linda
PA
Dear Jane,
I loved the lovely intermission.
I’m feeling no less emotional today.
Jane, Jane, Jane,
You’ve done it to me again. I’m totally in tears. I will write more later, but right now, I’m totally captivated by your words.
Jane, beautiful , touching and above all heart warming. You spoke of a song that Howrd could easily say and feel.
When I think of Anna, this songs makes me cry. This is what she was saying to Howard. He understood her more than anyone else.
sniff, sniff.
Foolish heart looks like we’re here again
Same old game of plastic smile
Don’t let anybody in
Hiding my heartache,will this glass house break?
How much will they take before I’m empty
Do I let it show,does anybody know
But you see the real me
Hiding in my skin,broken from within
Unveil completely
I’m loosening my grasp
There’s no need to mask my frailty
Cause you see the real me
Painted on,life is behind a mask
Self-inflicted circus clown
I’m tired of the song and dance
Living a charade,always on parade
What a mess I’ve made of my exsistence
But you love me even now
And still I see somehow
Wonderful,beautiful is what you see
When you look at me
You’re turning the tattered fabric of my life into
A perfect tapestry
I just wanna be me
Jane,
After watching both the E special on the life of Anna and the interview with Greta and Larry I was one tearful mess. Then I came here and read your latest post and the tears just started flowing again. I had to go to bed because I was so filled with emotion that I couldn’t even think anymore.
Well today is a new day and I came back here to re-read your post. It is chilling how well those words sung by Evanesence fit the life story, the love story, of Howard and Anna. You wrote that you believe, that a passionate kiss can revive the weariest soul, and it reminded me of the commitment ceremony that Howard and Anna had. That was their passionate kiss.
I believe that Anna left the USA and went to the Bahamas to escape from Larry Birkhead and his stalking ways, but once there, she found a level of inner peace and maturity that had not existed before. She was finally able to walk down the street or the beach and receive the respect that she was due as an individual and not merely be seen as someone’s money tree. It was in the Bahamas that Anna found true freedom. It was in that place of personal anonymity that she was able to gain a new perspective on life and get her priorities in order. It was in the Bahamas that Anna and Howard were finally able to openly live out their love.
That was the place of her greatest joy as well as her greatest torment. I believe this is why Howard will never leave the Bahamas completely.
Jane, this morning I thanked God, once again, for your powerful gift. Now I want to thank you for sharing that wonderful gift while you give it back to Him.
Love you much…dani MarieBernadette
Dani, I love your spirit. - Jane
jane, what a beautiful sad fairytale. they are supposed to end happily everafter. but from the not so comedy of errors, we find two people dead, one baby without a mother, two men who loved anna, of course two years with someone, cannot bring the love and dedication that the 12 years with howard would bring. but, larry what ever anyone may think of him, he loved anna, he still lovs anna, and he has his baby girl from anna. life is going to go on, and hopefully howard will move on when is work is done. its good he is helping larry, because that ensures a happier of life for dannielynn. but with or without, howard , life will go on.
You know, that’s the part that bothers me, Everybody is helping Larry. Who is Larry helping?
larry is helping dannielynn. he was thrust into a situation and life style that is far above his head. and because he was the father and howard was not , should not make people angy with him. he has a duty to his daughter, and to make sure her lkife is secure, and all this negative actions and comments ,remind me of the not so gentle media, that we all worked so haed to squash. well it was not just for howard , it was for everyone who does not wait for the real evidence ,and start condeming people because of their own loyalities ,to some one who may or may not deserve them. howard is helping larry. for dfannielynn, anone who likes howard shoul consider why he is doing it. he says he has a mission and he is fullfilling that. let larry concentrate , on his child, and the opri thing
I don’t think he was thrust into a lifestyle way above his head. He put himself in that when he slept with Anna. Little boys should play with little boys and leave the manly things to men.
Vivian,
I do not want to get into bashing anyone, but as I do not believe that Anna was helpless and toted around by Howard. I do not believe that Larry was thrust into anything. He has a sound mind and he chose to pursue what occurred between him and Anna. They both made a choice to have unprotected ***, whatever his intentions were , something beautiful came of it and that is Dannielyn. This does not change his intentions if they were never good to start with. He still has a chance if his intentions were not forthright to change it during the course of his life and in raising Dannielyn should he chose to do that IMO.
I believe Howard loved Anna but after reading pages 10 thru 13 of the document sited above by Kristina I have serious doubts Larry ever did.
(JMHO)
Kristina,
I wish you a speedy recovery!
I add my get well wishes to yours, AP. Get well Kristina! AP, I haven’t yet looked at the various PDF files on Art’s and QV’s sites. The summaries, though, look unpleasant. I wonder sometimes if the fights and controversies surrounding Anna will ever end. - Jane
this is suposed to be about a love story, i am always getting in trouble with the other posters becuse i no longer support howard, i was never a larry supporter, but i am now because he is dannielynns father, and now he is the one being bashed, by the posters on qvs site ,and in the media. so i came here for a little rest. but i guess i had better just shut up
Oh, please do nothing of the sort, Vivian. Everybody is entitled to their opinions based on how they view the information at hand. It really should not be taken personally. In the end, it will not be up to anyone here or in the general public who will decide who’s in the right or who’s in the wrong. We can all only discuss or defend our views. _ Jane
Jane:
I am sitting here with the tears streaming down my face after reading your article. I am in awe of your gift as you touch me in so many areas and feelings that I had thought I had firmly put the lid on.
I am a romantic as well although my outer, tougher facade would hide that notion from most. What Anna, Howard, Daniel and in the latter months Dannielynn shared was a family complete with still felt scars and pain from an earlier time. There was true love, deep understanding and respect, friendship, and then unbearable and unspeakable grief and torment. Throughout it all, Howard has maintained his quiet dignity, self respect, honor and deep love for his family as he laid them to rest, respectfully and lovingly, one by one. He then had the anguish of having to turn over the last vestige of his family and only remnant of his life with Anna, to Larry Birkhead. The depths of his anguish is beyond the scope of most. It is beyond me how Howard manages to get up each day and face the world with all he has lost. What he has had to undergo, along with the relentless and cruel press coverage, accusations and court hearing is unfathomable to most of us. He is a much stronger person that I will ever be.
There was something about Anna that really tugged at my heart. It may have been her fighting spirit or it could have been her sheer stubbornness. I could really relate to her. I have been deeply hurt and have been dealt some unbearable blows, especially in the last year. I have learned that money causes no end of problems and heartache, as Anna learned. I have learned that extended family and friends can use and abuse you. No one is immune to life’s hurts and heartaches. Luckily she had Howard by her side throughout all the good and the hard times. It is my sincere hope that Anna and Daniel are watching down over Howard with a smile on their faces as they watch him steadfastly doing what they would have wanted as he honors their lives with dignity and class.
Life would be so much more rich and satisfying if we were all lucky enough to have a Howard K. Stern by our side throughout our lives to share our many ups and downs, good and bad times and to celebrate our triumphs. To acknowledge our lives and know we matter . Luckily Anna did and was better for it although I doubt anyone could have stopped her inner demons which were so firmly ingrained.
Howard, if you are reading this, my hope for you is that once you have overcome your grief, that you have a wonderful, full, rich and rewarding life with Dannielynn. May she be a constant source of joy as you watch and enjoy her as she grows and prospers into a happy and healthy adult with loving remembrances of her mother and brother which you, and only you, are able to bestow upon her.
Howard you have done Anna and Daniel proud. May God bless you with all that is good.
MD, Anna’s rawness of spirit touched me as well. - Jane
Jane thank you so much.. You have a giant heart and it shows.
After reading your wonderful article above it brought back lots of memories and a question that I have been trying to answer for close to 25 years..
Maybe at a later date you can do an article on “Is it better to have loved and lost or never to have loved at all”..
Unless someone has been there it probably doesn’t make much sense.. But I have thought of this often and I can not provide and answer.. With your heart maybe you can..
Susie
That really might make a good article, Susie, but I can summarize my feelings now:
It is always better to have loved. Even if loss follows. To not have loved at all would make a person less than fully human.
Jane, what a wonderful person you must be to take the time to read your poster andto tell Vivian how welcome she is even if her views do differ from some elses .
Susie , I do so agree with Jane it is better to have love than not at all even if was only a fleeing moment. it bring the soul alive i believe
Jane, What a beautiful article - thank you so much for sharing it with us. Yes, I think it is better to have loved and lost but, in my case, it took many years to feel this way - I hope Howard realizes this sooner. On reading your article, I shed tears for Howard, as I do when I read any of your writings about him but, in this one, I think I shed a few for myself at the same time. Thank you again.
Gabrielle
You ladies are so deep and endearing. Wow.
I am so happy I found this site. Thank you Jane.
My Mother’s daughter that was very moving and true. I also feel the depths and sincerity of your words. Be blessed all of you and it’s the understanding, caring ,thoughtfulness and carefully selected words that paints the greatest pictures and brings someone a smile
Jane and Gagi
Thanks for your quick reply.. I agree with both of you on one side of me but there is also another side. Like I said I have been thinking about this for over 25yrs.. and I agreed with you for most of those years. Now I am not so sure..
Yes it is wonderful to have had a deep deep shared love and hopefully it will last forever. But if it doesn’t and your life really changes do you exist with what ever life brings you, try to exist in a “happy” “fun” relationship when you know there is more?.. Are you even able to involve yourself in a relationship again that is as deep or do you protect yourself and just have the “happy” fun” relationship. I do not mean settling for less I mean a different type of relationship that takes you in different directions..
When I saw Howard do the eulogy it broke my heart, and rekindled my thoughts on the subject.
I do not have a way with words like you do Jane so have probably missed making my point..
Susie
“Are you even able to involve yourself in a relationship again that is as deep or do you protect yourself and just have the “happy†fun†relationship.”
Trying to live a “safe life” that excludes the most tender part of yourself will, in the end, I think, be neither safe — for your spirit — or bring much in the way of a joyful life at all. We are all vulnerable to some degree, but we are also (and I know this to be true) resilient.
If we take a knowledge-based leap of faith or an informed risk, only three things can possibly happen. It will end up well, neutral, or poorly. Why forego taking the leap if at least 2/3 of the time it will either be beneficial or neutral, especially knowing that even in the event it turns out poorly, we will be able to recover?
Lastly, a deep relationship can also be happy and fun, can’t it? I would think it could if fear could be let go.
Dear Lee, A.P., and Jane.
Thank you for the well wishes! Gosh, i need them so :-)!
Honest, ain’t kidding. Am pretty banged up.
Lesson to me and all of us: DO NOT BE A GALLANT, SILENT SUFFERER.
BE LOUD AND TAKE ACTION!
Ah-hem.
Yes, you shall overcome, but hey, better be known as a hypochondriac and get prompt care when you need it, than running around (for many years, in my case) with pain and suffering, chanting: MIND OVER MATTER! I shall be well.
Haaaa-ha-ha.
You get the message. By the way, I do not always follow conventional medicine, homeopathy and naturapathy are good too, and yes mind-over-matter is still something to believe in.
Just do not let it prevent you from seeking professional help in a timely manner.
Oh, and though unrelated to ANS, with Jane’s permission, I’d like to post a link that has helped me understand how all the different problems were actually related, stemming from one source.
http://www.womentowomen.com
Just one of the good sites on the Internet.
Blessings to you and yours,
Kristina
Kristina, that’s great advice. Many people do tend to be gallant even when they feel horrible. I’m so glad you found the root of your problem, and though you’re hurting now, I hope you’ll see much, much better days ahead. Pain-free ones. - Jane
Babies,
New ideas, new beginnings, promise.
Laughter and awe without memories.
You do write beautifully, but what any of it has to do with Howard is beyond me…although I guess fanstasy isn’t bad.
Okay, Ahava, this was part of the story’s text:
An Intermission (a break, usually in the middle of something)
a musical side story. . .. . .
. . .my own feelings
. . .a romantic story.
Not his. . . –
For those of you who believe that romance lives. . .
In other words, this is an intermission. A break from the articles. A story. Not for him; but for the romantic ideals shared by romantics. I believe I’ve written enough on behalf of Howard to allow myself and other readers this small indulgence. - Jane
Jane,
Such a beautiful and poignant story. Thank you very much.
Oh Jane, that article brought tears to my eyes! What a compassionate and thought provoking writer you are. You managed to elicit all kinds of emotions that I thought I had labeled and managed.
After hearing Taz and Brigitte recount Howard’s state of being immediately after Anna died on the E! special, I’m in that place of empathetic grief I was when Anna first died. The mere thought of such a large and definitive man being reduced to the tears of an infant from absolute deafening and blinding anguish brings a pain to my heart. All I can think is how can he endure this? How do you get within inches of your dream only to have it snatched away and still find the will to breathe?
I have visions of him being swallowed up by the darkness in that house, fighting to make it through the loneliness and the silence of the night yet praying that he won’t have to face another day without her. That must be harder than any lie the media could facilitate about him. I’m comforted by the rally of friends he and Anna seem to have made in her last days, but it’s when he’s alone, and he has time to think that concerns me. I’m not worried about him taking his own life, Dannielynn is here and needs his watchful eye and he’s aware of it. What worries me is that he won’t allow himself to properly heal, that he’ll transfer that co-dependent quasi savior complex onto Dannielynn only to be used and abused by those who are her primary caretakers. He so deserves more than that. I so desperately want for him to find his way, he’s rife with potential and alot of the characteristics that make him a wonderful husband, and father, and friend, but I’m afraid Anna’s web is too complex for him to ever escape. She needed him, and he redefined alot about life for her, but now that she’s gone I’d like for him to finally be free of the downsides of her world. I’d love for him to forever honor the bold, vivacious, loving woman, but recognize the controlling, insecure, and demanding creature that dwelled inside that wonderful burst of light that was Anna.
I want Dannielynn to have the security of Howard as a soft landing place, but I want Howard to distance himself as well. Does that make sense? I’m not deluded, I have no images of sainthood, he’s flawed and his mistakes are many, but he’s so touchingly human that I have no choice but to want the best for him. The picket fences, the loving wife, the adoring children, whatever his heart desires. It’s high time he learned to invest in his own happiness and not the needs of Anna and her offspring. I want him to learn it’s possible to love and be devoted and loyal while still honoring himself. I wish I could tell him that the best way to honor Anna and Daniel is by living the best life he can, doing the things they would have wanted for themselves had it been decided they had more time. Only by truly living, by truly being, will he really honor the memory and his time with them. That would mean they set him free, and taught him something so wonderful that he has to share it with someone (s). His own form of “paying it forward”.
As a last thought, after watching GVS last night I realize my biggest bone of contention with Larry Birkhead. It isn’t claims of fame, it isn’t any alleged intentional hidden homosexuality, it isn’t even really the alleged pursuit of money, it’s his seeming need to strip Howard of the acknowledgement of his place in Anna and Daniel’s life. Just as I’m sure there was a thick and deep jealousy on Howard’s part as Anna and Larry had their time, I’m coming to realize there was a deep and thick jealousy on Larry’s part as he realized Howard had Anna’s most sacred emotional gift, her trust. He had her body, but at some point he realized he didn’t have her trust, not the way Howard did, and the thought that there was a very real possibilty he never would had to bother him. It’s evident to me in the way he paints Howard, he’s no longer the enemy, but a pitiful underling who was given scraps. The tone of speech and the attitude is one of the hallmarks of jealousy, and it leads me to think what Anna and Howard shared, even before or without the sex must have been much bigger than what we thought. I don’t doubt that Larry cared for, the need to minimize Howard and amplify his own position wouldn’t be there if he didn’t, but I wish he’d make peace with what was and what is. I’d greatly appreciate it if once, just once, he would say “Anna and I had our time, and it ended. During that time it was what it was, we loved hard, we loved fast, and then we separated. She moved on and decided to be with who she wanted, it hurt, and I was angry, but it’s over. What I would like to focus on is the raising of my daugher and showering her with enough love that when the time comes to explain all of this, I can tell her that though her mother and I were not together at the time of her birth, we both loved her fiercely and she was the best thing I got out of that time with her”. That is my dream interview with him, to acknowledge to Dannielynn the truth now, and not develop a fable for her that she will defeintely call into question when she’s of age. Kids are never too old to hear the truth, no matter what the format, as long as it’s padded with love and assurance.
Oh dear Jane, it seems I’ve again used your page as an outlet. I apologize for the length yet again, it’s hard not to let my thoughts flow when you’ve given me such a wonderful pondering point to begin with.
EPU.
Please don’t ever apologize for posting your eloquent and compassionate thoughts here, EPU. I enjoy them so much, as do the other regular contributors. Thank you. - Jane
Dear EPU,
Beautiful, beautiful! Thank you for your post.
Yes, I too feel a great deal of empathy for Howard.
And here, you are so right: …., it’s his seeming need to strip Howard of the acknowledgement of his place in Anna and Daniel’s life. …
Yup. I watched LB at Greta, heard him say: Oh, Howard did many things for her that no one else wanted to do. And Greta asked him to elaborate, and he replied: Such as going out 4 AM i nthe morning and getting her things…. Then Greta grimaced, and Larry finally realized that he had to say a little more, and admitted that Howard always worked on contracts, because everyone wanted to sue her and he had to watch out.
This is not a verbatim quote, but you know what I mean, EPU.
Indeed it seemed hard for Larry to acknowledge that there is so much more to this intelligent, loyal, caring man called Howard K Stern.
Jane,
It sometimes feels as if you stolen the words from my heart. I do believe that romance lives, even among the tragic ruins.
I could never imagine loving anyone the way that I love my husband. He is the air that I breathe, my strength, he is the person I reach for when I’m feeling afraid or lost. I can’t imagine ever loving anyone the way that I love him - nor would I want to.
I imagine that Howard’s love for Anna was similar to that.
MMD - loved and agreed with your post.
EPU, just heart warming.
Jane everytime I open the post I think to reach for the box of tissues. Posters give yourselves a pat on the back. There is good people still in existence in this chaotic world. Hope is renewed and rebuilding. I feel like running in the meadows, laughing and singing. Awwwww schucks, my heart is melting. I could just cry with all this sincerity and love.
There is no need for me to add anything. I get the picture EPU. Plain and simple. I echo your sentiments on everthing and the many things you still wanted to say but didn’t. I love you all from QV and Jane. From the bottom of my heart. Hugs and kisses.
Jane I have to ask this question, because i believe you may have a better answer than some of us. Although some have been trying to stream roll you, you have kept a very indepth and open mind with what i read from you. If you were sitting in front of Larry, and asking questions, would you believe anything he said? Don’t you think the eyes are the window of the soul?
Gagi, just my opinion, but I believe that few people in the public eye, faced with questioning from an interviewer, would be 100% honest about every issue presented to them knowing that the information will become public knowledge. They’re more likely to be truthful about some things and evasive or not quite truthful with others, depending on the subject, how personal it is, and what the consequences might be. As far as LB is concerned, he has shown a dark side (e.g.,the emails to Anna), and a lighter side (e.g., with his family, talking about his daughter) to the public. I think he obviously has a lot of issues, and that he’s done some things that open him up for more criticism, some of it fair and some not. . .but I don’t think that his truer self will emerge publicly until the turmoil has calmed, and the current conflicts are further behind him. He’ll likely mature through this experience, and through fatherhood, but only time will tell that, too. In short, I think he’s a shade of gray, and that the nature of his character has yet to be well-defined. - Jane
EPU…. beautiful! I loved and agree with your post.
I so want to be fair and keep a level head where Larry is concerned but I don’t trust him and I never have. Watching him last night with Greta only made me dislike and distrust him more. I just can’t accept that he is sincere about anything. He tries too hard to show that he played a more important role in Anna’s life than Howard. I do not know what his relationship with Howard is but it seems to me that his strongest emotion is jealously. First he said that Howard would do things for Anna that no one else would do such as running errands at 4:00 a.m. but then he was more or less forced by Greta to continue and he said (not exact quotes) “making Anna successful” “pitching projects” “making sure she didn’t get screwed over”. Are we supposed to believe he loved Anna too much as he stated or believe that Howard loved Anna too much. I think that Larry would like to be the person that Howard was and is to Anna. To use EPU’s words, I see Larry as a “pitiful underling” who wishes us all to think that he is superior to Howard. I can’t hide my contempt for, and my distrust of, Larry and because of Dannielynn I am so sorry.
Jane, as always I enjoy your words……….and I hope some literary agent is out here reading and seeing your talent!! Regarding LB’s sudden (since custody being won) and profound “love” for ANS - I can still see him on the stand in Florida when asked, did you love her? He said, no!!! Isn’t it strange how one can back track when it is in their best interest? I have often thought, how difficult it must be for HKS to be on LB’s side when he knows the truth in why ANS felt as she did toward LB. However, he did not have much of a choice in the matter because he had LB on one side and Virgie on the other!! It makes me literally sick when I hear LB profess their great love and how proud ANS would be of him!! My heart still aches for DL - who I hope will have a “normal” life; but, I doubt seriously because the almighty “buck” will always be in the way of her having one with LB as her father. I am afraid he will milk this as long as he can to be in the spot light with no regards about DL. Just a sad situation!!!
Dear Anne,
Don’t feel bad about distrusting Larry. I watched him on Larry King last night, actually caught just the tail end of the interview, but at least saw beautiful Dannielynn and am glad for that. I still did not warm up to Birkhead. But I think he does love his daughter, and as long as he is a good dad, and has the good sense to allow HKS as a co-guardian in her life, I sure prefer Dannielynn to be in his custody than in VA’s custody….
Jane I thought your answer about LB to Gagi was fair.
I am going to give him a chance. I believe a lot of what he says and think he knows more than what he is telling the public. He seems to regret saying to much.
I found him credible on Larry King last night.
As far as those emails, I agree they were dark but he was very angry, he said he regrets sending them and he was pushed beyond a point (no access to his child) that few of us will know.
E pluribus Unum’
You’re so right. That’s all I want to hear Larry say is the truth. I possibly could change my opinion of him. This fantasy land that he’s trying to build is not good for him or Dannielynn. She will someday learn the truth. Why not get the whole truth from her father? I don’t believe he will grow positively, until he faces reality. Then he will be able to move on in a positive way.
I really believe Larry thought their was a relationship, in his eyes. We do not know what Anna was feeding him. It was clearly more than a one night stand.
maryst,
You may be right.There was a relationship of some sort, but I don’t think it was the fantasy one he is trying to build. He said on LK that he knows Anna loved him and he loved her and there’s plenty of proof of that. I guess he’s referring to Dannielynn. Love has nothing to do with conception. He looks broken. He needs to be honest with himself and move on for the sake of Anna’s angel.
EPU,
I don’t know how I missed your post. It is beautiful and tender and touched my heart. I agree with you about Larry feeling insecure and needing to prove his and Anna’s love. I would think that after everything that has been publicized about Larry and Anna’s relationship that Larry must feel the need to prove something. But it must be difficult to prove something when your actions do not reflect your words. As I said on the other thread, proof is in your actions not your words and your actions must reflect your belief.
I just can’t help but believe that Larry pushed Anna to the edge…even Judge Seidlin questioned Larry on the stand about the timing of his actions and the additional stress that his actions caused Anna. I wonder if he feels any guilt.
I know that said he has regrets, as well he should, but does he take responsibility for his actions. He had little to no respect for Anna before she died, and no respect for Anna after Daniel died and little or no respect for Anna after she died. He had no concerns about voicing his disrespect on national television many times.
The judge asked him if he would describe Anna as a woman with a fragile nature. Birkhead said not really. She was usually tough and she was argumentative. The emails in between were just as nasty on each side. He had anger because his child was taken from him.
The judge asked if he thought filing a paternity action would affect her emotional state. He said no. The judge asked when he filed it. Birkhead says October 2nd. The judge asked when Daniel died. Birkhead says September 9th. The judge says a month after, you file a cause of action. Birkhead starts to explain. The judge shuts him down and says it’s a yes or no. Birkhead says yes.
The judge asked if he thought filing a cause of action puts tension in a persons body or puts pressure on them. Birkhead says yes. The judge asked if he thought Anna was going to have additional stress in her body. He said yes. The judge asked if he thought she could handle the additional stress in her body. He said yes.
EJ, I find it curious both men have to prove a relationship. Why was she hiding lb and hks? I don’t know but my gut tells me he was played by her. She could control HKS but she could not control LB. I also thought he was referring to all the pictures, I am sure he only showed some, and there are more.
Logical, you are correct about Larry adding stress, I think his actions at that time were horrible but I also believe he was pushed to a point of anger. I do not excuse his behavior but forgive it. I know the feeling of having no access to your child and I know the anger that comes from it.
Jane, that was beautiful. It’s as though you have sneaked a peek into their hearts and have told us what they were feeling.
EPU, brilliant!!!! You have knack, that’s for sure.
#49, I don’t see anyone out here trying to prove or discuss the relationship except Larry. I don’t know why she hid Larry, but I know why she hid the relationship with Howard for so long. It was because he was her attorney. Those are his words as well as hers. She hid Larry in every way. You see very few pictures of Larry and Anna together in the public. The ones that you do see, he probably took them himself for his own purposes. That’s curious to me why we never really saw him with her that much.
EJ, I will leave you to your own feelings in this regards. I simply do not come to the same conclusions. The love story (HKS and Anna) in my mind, is not the most romantic one I could conceive or want for my son. I am sorry for both men. I believe most of what LB said and find him credible.
I forced myself to watch Larry on Greta. Throughout the interview my skin was crawling and I was fearful for what would come out next. Great was despicable when she asked about Howard and to me she looked like an ugly fly rubbing her hands together waiting for the kill.
He equats great love with a simple conception. Larry does not have the capacity to understand what life is all about. If Anna wanted a baby so badly, I wish she had the sense to have artificial insemnination by an unknown blond, blue-eyed man. It is so creepy that she should pick someone who mistreated her and then have to run away just to be caught and trapped. After being caught and trapped, her only way out was to overdose and die. How horribly tragic but that is how I see it.
I wish I had skipped Greta and watched Larry King; however, my skin was still crawling last night, so I did not watch Larry King.
It seems, though, that Larry is still willing to allow the monstruous grandmother to “call” and bring in “cookies”. I wonder if there is anybody in Birkhead’s family who has more sense than he does and who can protect Dannielynn. She is so beautiful and Birkhead seems to be more than willing to let her beauty pave the way to his gold mine.
Birkhead mentioned how he was afraid before meeting Dannielynn that she would reject him, but instead she touched his face. Babies who are raised around lots of people who are good to them, learn to be very friendly. Dannielynn had lots of love during her first 6-7 months and that is what has shapped her to be so friendly. It is not a sign of some undying and deep love mysteriously transmitted between father and child.
Jane I am all for Romance and Fantasy.
Sorry if I thought you were writing about Howard.
My fantasy for him is that he does write a book one day when this is all over.
I think it would be both Cathartic and offer him some closure too, and most likely it would hold best information about her.
I would not buy Moe’s Book, Virgies book and certainly not the 1/2 sister Dona’s book.
#55, Thanks. He certainly has a lot to learn and it seems to be going very very slow.
Dear Jane,
Something has took hold of me, and carried me away.
This ‘love story’ was not what I really anticipated in the beginning.
I wasn’t aware that Anna and Howard could have been in love.
I simply saw a man being condemmed by ‘the media’ and my
first reaction and words to my husband were, I didn’t trust that Howard K. Stern.
Something in me made an almost, immediate ‘about face.’
I couldn’t believe a man with his standing, education and upbringing could do something so evil.
I was suddenly on ‘his’ side.
But, I’m not so sure I believe this beautiful ‘love story.’
rewind, 6 months before this love story started, listen to Anna’s comments on the subject…
this love story was romantic but was it real? listen to every thing she said for years, look at the real motives for this love story
Dear Jane,
The Law, The Truth, Love…all these Humanities.
Then there is ‘The Media’ that, to me, destroys, goodness for the sake of ratings and money.
Patsy Ramsy (hope I spelled her name right) had to live through the ‘Media Coverage.’
OJ was driven by passion and jeolousy.
The Media is an evil empire.
I disagree, Freida. There are bad elements in every business, and the media is no exception, but taken as a whole they keep the public informed on crucial issues as well as offer a forum to hear differing views. - Jane
I see Larry with custody of Anna’s beautiful little girl, living in Anna and Howard’s house, media attention of a superstar, and more money than he ever could have dreamed possible. He was a photographer living in a one bedroom apartment which was (based on some reports) filthy and unfit for a child. I can’t believe that he was ever important to Anna. I think that Howard knew just how unimportant he was to her. Whatever they saw in Larry and knew about him made them make life changing decisions in order to escape him. Debra Opri did her best to present Larry as sweet, honest, an overall wonderful person who would be a great father. I never saw anything impressive about him - ever! Now, he wants us to believe that he and Anna had this great love affair and his role was much more important than Howard’s. I wish he would just be honest. If he would just say that he had a brief affair with Anna, that he does love Dannielynn and admit that Howard was everything to Anna. He can’t change the fact that he was just passing through her life and Howard was there before, during and after him. I guess what bothers me most is that he is no Howard K. Stern. My heart tells me that Howard could be trusted to love and protect Dannielynn with nothing being more important. There Larry is - he has it all and I fear for Dannielynn. I find it difficult to understand why Anna’s wishes were not important to anyone except Howard.
I think Larry will be an alright father to Dannielynn if he can grow up. Right now the maturity is not there, and I hope it comes sooner than later. I believe Howard and Anna had a real love story for years. Only a selected few knew because of him being her attorney. She protected him in so many ways, as he did her. She probably said little things to people that made them think she was definitely not interested in Howard. So what? That’s the way you keep a secret, hello.
If Dannielynn wasn’t in the picture, would we ever think she had an affair with Birkhead? I wouldn’t have. Regardless, I still don’t and never will think Anna and Larry had this great big love fest going on. To me, he was probably just a bump in the night. He was one of the players and to me she played him, although I’m glad there’s Dannielynn. I think Larry will be ok once he admits the truth that he was a hanger on.
Dear Jane:
What a beautiful love story for such a tragic ending. Anna was a great big beautiful doll and Howard was there for her for 12 years they were very much in love in the end. But it wasn’t meant to be. You have so elegantly put together another masterpiece. Thanks I know you did this for us.
EJ, your post is telling to me. The suggestion we would never had known about LB if it were not for DL. You put more thought into my process. I also understand about what you are saying about HKS, keeping the secret, why so many secrets? Why couldn’t it be just as possible she did the same thing to LB?
I guess I am going to have to go with the facts just as I did in regards to the deaths.
The facts are Anna denied the relationship for years there are many clips of her feelings.
I saw E where HKS was humping her, but it looked staged but could be possible.
On ET Anna said LB was delusional.
The relationship and HKS saying he was the father did not come into the picture until the custody battle.
HKS said on LK he had feelings for Anna and wish she felt the same, Anna looked like that is insane she said many times he was her best friend, like a brother
The reason any one is questioning this love affair is due to Anna’s words
Maryst,
I agree with some of your thoughts, however, Larry was not in a position to where Anna had to protect his reputation. Now we say, “Anna said.” Anna said a lot ot things. Do we believe or disbelieve everything she said or do we only choose the ones that make us feel good about our opinions? If anyone thinks Anna and Howard were together for all that time and nothing happened, I pity them. Howard stated that their relationship was not exclusive. No one will ever positively know what went on behind closed doors with Anna and Howard, but common sense tells you, bells were ringing.
EJ, that is my point, so many lies, I don’t know what to believe. I would love to believe the love story, it suits me best, I love it. I simply do not know the truth, to much deception.
Personally, I find LB creditable. I believe he made mistakes along the way but I believe he is showing remorse. I think he was pushed hard, and lost part of himself. I can understand his perspective having been pushed hard once myself. I know the pain of not having access of your child.
As far as HKS and Anna go I simply do not know what to believe, find it curious they only came up with this romantic story until the custody battle began.
Can we not agree Anna and HKS were masters of the tabloid press? Understood how to play the game and played it well?
maryst,
It’s ok for you to have your own opinion and to voice it. I accept that. Sometimes things hit too close to home and we can’t see the trees for the forest.. That’s ok, each to his own. God bless
I accept yours too.
maryst,
Maybe I should have said the forest for the trees. It is what it is.lol
I don’t really understand what you mean but will leave it as such.
maryst,
You said you don’t understand, read my #70. Sometimes things happen to us personally and if the impact is negative, we close our minds to all logic.
Maybe or maybe we understand more thru the experience, can understand the knowledge of knowing what it is like to loss access of one’s on child
I admit I was putting a lot of my own life experiences into this subject, admit I don’t know all the answers but also admit I was thinking some pretty stupid thinks. If you read any of my post from the beginning. I have now admitted I was not looking at all perspectives. I have since stopped being blinded because of my own life and I am looking at facts.
I off all ppl should have understood LB from the very beginning and for this I have apologized to him…the rest of it I will leave it in God’s hands, looks like he is doing a great job, goes with out saying but acknowledgment of his control
When I saw LB with his little girl, IMO it fit
We can have experience in virtually the same thing as others, yet it’s different.
correct, perspective is a very important thing to acknowledge when trying to come to conclusions. I am doing this for my sake
what I am trying to express is I was looking at this subject from only one perspective, I have stepped back and looked at all perspectives. IMO it is the only way to come up with a good analysis or conclusion. If I limit my thinking to only one perspective I become to close minded.
yes I would agree virtually is much different
I can say this thru my experience what I thought I would feel like and what it feels like when it happens have always been different
One of the things, which everyone is trying to figure out here, is what Anna’s feelings were in this love triangle. Some say, listen to her words, but that may not be a clear indicator, because she had definite reasons to hide things with her words.
We have to look at the whole Anna. We know that she had good reason to have trust issues. We know that if someone went against her wishes, she would most likely cut them out of her life. We also know that she was looking for a specific image of how she wanted her future children to look. We know she adored the blue eyed, blond hair looks of her son Daniel. Like a gambler, who wears their lucky shirt whenever they go to the casino, Anna wanted her children to be a repeat of Daniel, because she saw herself as successful being his mother.
We need to remember too, that Anna surrounded herself with people who would enhance or further her own career, her own image. It is what made her successful. Because Larry was the same type of person, they clashed. He was interested in furthering his own career, his own image and when Anna finally realized this, it was a sign of betrayal to her.
I have no doubt that Larry intentionally immersed himself into Anna’s life because he had an agenda. I found it interesting that he did not actively pursue her the whole first year after meeting her. It took another year and seeing her without the weight, before he went full steam ahead.
When we look at pictures of Larry and Anna, he is the one, who is looking directly into the camera. Even now, when we see him with Dannielynn, he makes sure that the camera is on him.
Her feelings on Howard are not quite as hard to determine. He was right there, with her and for her, for years and had proven himself trustworthy. He was very capable of taking care of the business that made up the image of Anna. Some question how Howard could love her and still allow Anna to see so many men, while being in love with him. Could it be, that he saw it all as part and parcel of her image? After all, her image was completely made up of people and especially men loving her. It was the business that they were in.
He loved her and her children unconditionally. In so many ways Howard completed Anna.
People are forgetting that in just as many ways, Anna completed Howard. She brought out the silliness and the fun in him that his studious, serious nature was seeking. She provided the drama and excitement, which would not otherwise be a part of his life. She filled the innate need he had to nurture someone. She brought out his tender side. Even before she loved him, she made him feel loved.
There are men who love only one woman in their lifetime. Howard was one of these men.
EJ, I love the way you think and find myself agreeing with you on each post.
Maryst, I understand your pain in losing access to a child. I can relate. At times the public, the media and our legal system just does not get it right. I have had a life changing experience with someone like Larry Burkhead and after an experience with someone like that it is easier to read between the lines. Easier to determine who they really are from who they say they are. I doubt his intentions were honorable from the beginning. I doubt his good intentions now. He hit the jackpot with Anna and won the best prize of all - Dannielynn. Not really sure that is the prize he values most. He is the biological father and I wish I could believe that he is the best father for her. Howard’s
actions for the past 12 years tell us a lot about him - his love and devotion to Anna. They were a real team together. He was always there to take care of Anna in whatever area was needed and as Larry said - making sure that Anna did not get “screwed over” by anyone. I just wish I had half the faith in Larry that I do in Howard. Each time I look at Anna’s little girl I want to cry - she seems so happy but I really fear for what the future holds for her in Larry’s care. I hope I am wrong.
Dear Jane,
I’m glad you did not agree with that comment I made yesterday afternoon…it was rather extreme.
Just like the prejudice, I immediately felt toward Howard K. Stern way back in February, and that is exactly what it was.
Danigirl…
Great post and my thaughts exactly!!! I can never say what I really feel but you just did it for me!
#82, I feel the same way about this. I have looked at this from all angles and my conclusion is that Howard and Anna were soul mates. Howard said in his eulogy to Anna that she knew what people wanted and she gave it to them. But I believe there was a private side to her that was known best by him. I hope your last sentence is wrong. I hope that he does love again someday.
Maryst., if I could adress some of your points as a reader of your comments for a few weeks now. While I agree that Larry as a biological parent had a right to know whether or not he was her father, I think there is a automatic assumption about what Howard and Anna knew. While Anna should have submitted for the test as soon as it was feasible, her son’s death was fresh and by all accounts she was detached from reality. I’ve seen some comments that seem to gloss over Daniel’s death and how it could have contributed to her actions after Dannielynn was born. Larry has to take some blame as well for her reaction. Whether or not he wants to now claim Debra Opri was the main catalyst in the paternity action, the fact is he participated either by tacit agreement or active action. What should have been a persuance of DNA turned into a public all out media attack and the threat of the suit for custody. The claim that he was afraid for Dannielynn don’t wash since he just told Larry King that he knew Anna and the people around her so there was no health or safety concern for Dannielynn. Yes, he absolutely should have been able to know whether she was his or not, but if we’re going to look at all perspectives what about Anna? How was she to deal with losing one child to death only to have an attorney publicly threaten her with the loss of custody of the other? Can you see why she would have fought the DNA test the way she did? Whether she was right or not can you see how she would see Debra Opri on tv and hear about Larry going to Vergie and Ford Shelley and dig her heels in? The actions and inaction that transpired have blame of both sides of the fence. Just as you can accuse Anna of trying to keep Dannielynn from Larry you can accuse Larry from trying to use the law and the media to keep Dannielynn from Anna. Art Harris responded to a poster on his site with some VERY interesting information. Did you know that according to Art both Howard and Larry were working to find a private solution that would excluded the biological father if it turned out not to be either of them? Doesn’t that make Larry just as guilty as Howard and Anna were?
As for Howard and Anna’s relationship, had I not been aware of their dynamic ahead of time I would have the same concerns you do. I’ll openly admit to wondering if she ever really loved him when this all started. I had concerns that she’d turn to him out of desperation instead of any emotional real romantic love. Do you know what changed my mind? All the people who willingly and lovingly stood up for them and attested to their relationship before and after those last months. Moe, Alex Goen, Alex’s wife, King Eric, Brigitte his companion, Mrs. Gibson, Pol, Patrick, John James, John’s wife, Sandy Serrano (Anna’s haird stylist), Kimmie, and another friend who’s name escapes me at the moment (she was the blonde on the E! special who’d been with them since the reality show) all talk in such emotional and loving terms about Anna and Howard and how much they loved and clung to each other after Daniel died. All who were present before the Bahamas confess to knowing there were sexually daliances between the two for as long as they were around. All who were present in the Bahamas have said repeatedly in interviews, both television and print, that they wholeheartedly believe Anna and Howard were in love. What reason do all those people have to lie? Larry has the baby and STILL they stand by what they saw and said, why? If this was all a rouse to keep Larry at bay, then the question arises…..what did they all see in Larry that was so horrible Anna could convince them all to perjure themselves so greatly? Either he was a horrible guy and they felt needed to protect Anna and Dannielynn from him, or Anna and Howard had their own intimate moments around the same time Larry and Anna did and what ever bond was pre-existing only strengthened once Daniel died and they were determined to hang on to the little family they created. It’s not the way any of us would wish for our sons, fathers, brothers, and such to structure a relationship, but if they did we would have to respect it because it worked for them. We have to be careful not to judge other people by our own thought patterns and experiences, what you live is what you live, your experiences are your experiences, it’s impossible to transfer them onto another being and expect the same course of action, motives, or results. None of us leave the same footprints on teh earth. Just as our experiences in the womb form our own unique fingerprints and identities, our experiences in life for our own unique paths and define the marks we leave on this earth.
EPU.
I’m at work and typing on the fly so please forgive my many typos in the above post! Thnaks in advance.
EPU.
EPU and Danigirl,
Once again I see and feel what you are saying. Yes maybe in the beginning, Anna may not have immediately felt anything for Howard. Nevertheless this is a bond that grew through the many trials along the way. He adored her son. Yes, he did adore Daniel and you can see it.
It wasn’t hard to see if you watch closely that things between Anna and Howard were closer than you think. Obviously they had to keep it under wraps.
Without bashing Larry, there is something that Anna discovered about him that compelled her to go to the extent that she did. I do not think she was would have purposely cut Larry out of DL life . I think she also thought that Howard was the father. I would do the same thing if I thought the father of my child had ulterior motives or is not being forthright. It’s a mothers right to protect her child and vice versa. In this case I don’t think it was warranted for Larry to try to protect Dannielyn. She was not in danger with Anna. He could have before going after her. He has not taken anything seriously until now ,he is trying appear like he has been concerned all along. I”m not buying it. Read between his words, he is secretly complaining about all the work that is now involved in raising Dannielyn. Go back and read the transcripts and just listen to him.
I agree with every one, I am not here to cause problems, simply to think this through. I don’t fault LB for wanting to get ahead, I think it is a good sign. I think ppl should help one another not just yourself.
I am not coming to the same conclusion in this case.
I find the love story a little hard to believe, while I would love it to be so. I do believe they were best friends though.
Let me take it back about agreeing with every one
As far as Opri and Larry I don’t know yet
I don’t really know about HKS
I do know LB sent nasty emails but he said he regrets a lot of his behavior
I want to believe he loves his daughter and think he does
I do not agree she should have fought the dna nor do I believe she should have denied Daniel his father
As far as the past I am willing to move on and pray for them both
I have looked at Anna’s perspective, I don’t agree with it, seems selfish
She is gone putting her out of the equation
While I liked Anna I understand the personality
Why do some people have such a hard time believing that Howard and Anna were in love and that they had an intimate relationship? It’s totally beyond me.Some still want to make Howard out to be a monster. But, I will say Larry needs to be grateful that Howard’s name was on Dannielynn’s birth certificate because had it not been, Virgie would have her in Texas making mud pies. Then Larry would have had to fight OQuinn on his turf in Texas. Imagine the time, money and grief this could have really cost him.
Dear Jane,
I understand Anna not wanting to go to the hospital.
I had an emergency appendectomy not too, long ago.
Because I would not go to the hospital, or a doctor. I thought the pain would eventually go away.
I hate medical facilities.
And when I did go, I sat in the emergency room for 2 hours crying…they were waiting for the worst, (IMHO) they were waiting for my appendix to burst, waiting to make the most $$$.
Lucky for me I had good medical insurance…because the total bill was more than 10 grand.
This happens over and over again, every day.
Obviously Larry would regret the emails.
He got caught. He never thought it would come out. Regardless of how hurt you were and whatever you are feeling inside, people do say bad things out of anger, name calling “I hate you’s, but whatever comes out speaks volume. “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.” He has deep rooted issues that you and I are not privy to. I’m sure Howard has issues too , we all do. But judging from the tapes of him and Anna, he was more the one to diffuse the situation than add fuel to the fire.So he strikes me as the peacemaker than the aggressor, the lover not the fighter.
I’m a stranger and Larry does not owe me anything, explanation or justification. However he has another life entrusted in his care. I think he needs to be honest with himself (I don’t think he is). Because of this he can be very unpridictable. For DL sake I hope he does not pursue the Hollywood lifestyle because you can get sucked in pretty quickly and if you are not careful, lose yourself. That would not be a very good combination. I love this precious, innocent, unaware of dangers that lurks in the shadows, beautiful and happy, trusting baby as if she was my own. I do pray for her and Howard and Larry and Virgie , some I readily like and others I hope would change. That’s my part from being on the outside. GOD will do the rest.
I just don’t know about the love affair is what I should say, to many conflicting statements and again it is discerning in it’s revelation
I am not saying I don’t think HKS is an okay guy, I am saying I really don’t know. I only know what I see when the camera’s roll
I do think LB is okay too. I too pray he gets little DL out of LA and goes back home, gets healthy.
I think HKS is behind some of what he is doing right now. He talks to him every day. HKS can see DL. It is a good sign. I think he respects HKS but has feelings he needs to resolve which I think are understandable considering the circumstances. I really don’t know about Opri but try to understand what he is doing.
disconcerting
He’s ducking and hiding from Opri just like he does with everything else. He stammers and stutters and sidesteps giving a honest and sufficient answer. He’s a better dancer than he is a photographer..speech wise.
Maryst we could go on and on. But I respect your opinion and your level or reason , it’s what keeps the debate going . However those are my views and spiritually I have a better feeling about Howard than I do with Larry, Opri, GBT, Virgie,FS to name a few.
I think Larry needs to concentrate on Dannielynn and move forward from what he was wishing for with Anna. She had moved on with Howard and Larry had moved on with? Larry hadn’t seen Anna for 9 months before her death. What did he think she was doing, saving herself for him? I don’t think so and neither does he. He wants to live in this fantasy world so that one day he will be able to lie to Dannielynn about his time with Anna. She will find out the truth. It is out there and will be out there for years to come. It wasn’t just him in Anna’s life, as a matter of fact, it was hardly him. He can’t bring himself to realize that he was played.
I don’t see it that way, I see a man coming to grip with his reality. I see a man who hurts, who worries about his little girl and wants to be healthy for her. I see a lot of pain in him as well as HKS. I think he is truly concerned what he is going to tell her and worries about DL losing her mom and brother.
maryst,
Be still my heart, for just this moment…I see what you see.
Please, please don’t change again.
This time (June 14, 2007 @ 1:17 pm) I feel you are perfect.
Bless you, maryst.
Maryst for Larry sakes you paint a very beautiful picture and I can see where you are going, however in the background of that picture hangs a looming shadow that sways and swings precariously and creates a very unpleasant feeling of sadness and mystery .
I don’t think Larry’s pain is even remotely similar to Howard’s.
I don’t think it is the same as HKS just that he has pain, what is wrong with you guys? Why do you have to see evil in him yet show HKS compassion? Don’t you have enough room in your heart to show him compassion? We don’t know he is so bad. Where are all the facts in your case? I can only base my heart on what I see and hear much like I gave HKS the same compassion when ppl where so hateful towards him.
That’s what we’re doing with Larry. We’re basing our hearts on what we see and hear. What’s wrong with that? We’re not being vindictive or anything. We don’t wish him harm. It’s just the all of a sudden about face that he now has toward Anna. It’s almost like he’s making things up as he goes because he knows he is now being critiqued by many in the public. When he thought he had it going on, everything was kosher for him, no matter who got hurt in the process. He can now blame Debra Opri for all the slandering of Anna if he wants to, but he fed the info to her.
Maryst, I do not see evil, I see mystery and hidden intentions that could be good and could be bad. Howard on the other hand, I see warmth , loyalty, acceptance, selflessness, not self absorbing, kind,attentive, smart, funnyand tough .Just as you see good in Larry and believe in your heart that he is the way you see him. I feel that same way for Stern. I don’t harbor hate in my heart. That however does not stop me from being careful and apprehensive. Love you Maryst. You know what I admire about you, your resilience. Good for you , I know that you are not a push over. Kudos to you.. You need to have that to survive.
I knew it went out wrong, it is so hard to be misunderstood.
think about how defensive it was for him, Anna and HKS were in a tabloid war with him saying a lot of negative things about him. So what if he wanted to be a movie star, so what if he wanted to get ahead, then Anna saying he is delusional…for me I can understand his stress too.
Just don’t let it get personal. I sense a bit of irritation in your writing because you want others to see what you are saying and they won’t. You are not misunderstand, it’s just a difference of opinion to which you are entitled.
Opri was the attorney and lead him all over the country, she should have gone to Bahamas and I hold her responsible because she was the professional
Love you too, Mary
Also Maryst, I feel that you are struggling with what you think. You go back and forth and that is not disrespectful to you. It’s just that you keep apologizing for your view points and I do not think you should. It’s your opinion, it’s what you thought. Don’t apologize for it. Then it comes across weak. Hopefully you understand what I am trying to see without taking it as me being mean
I meant misunderstood about the compassion thing I am not irritated, I need to get off the board though I went though this about HKS on other boards and ppl are going to believe what they want. I guess I am trying to get others to give him a chance.
That is for sure, I have been looking at every perspective I can and I am not coming up with the conclusion I wanted.
Who knew better than Howard or Anna if those things said(whatever they were), were right or wrong? I certainly don’t know. There’s deep seated reasons why she didn’t want him in her life anymore. Some, I’m sure were because of the paternity matter, but there were others also.
Who knew better than Howard or Anna if those things said(whatever they were), were right or wrong? I certainly don’t know. There’s deep seated reasons why she didn’t want him in her life anymore. Some, I’m sure were because of the paternity matter, but there were others also. He said he believes that it was hard for Anna to share this child because she raised Daniel by herself and sharing was intimidating to her. She was willing to share the baby with Howard. That killed that theory.
not in y thought process because the relationship between Anna and Stern was much different then LB
I don’t know this but I sense LB would be to hard to control plus he wanted a relationship from Anna that she could not give.
Howard on the other hand…well I think I have this figured out but will leave it to your thoughts. I have been thinking about this since she passed. I think there is a lot to the three of them that we will never know. I think LB is not saying as much as he knows and will be more guarded here forward. I think he is learning and HKS is helping him learn
Maryst, I just hope you are never offended by anything that I post. It is not and never will be my intention to be mean. I just see that you want to believe what you think, but also careful just in case you were wrong because it would make you feel bad about your view. And that’s OK because I could be wrong too. But, as a person looking on from the outside this is my perception. I’m sending a hug your way just to let you know that I respect your right to see things the way you do.
maryst,
You have a true heart.
maryst,
I enjoy debating you on this. I know how you feel about your feelings and I am very hard headed and stubborn. I try to sort out the facts from fiction, but sometimes I may get caught up. (accidentally, of course) LOL My hope is that in the end, all is well. I respect your opinions, even though I disagree with you 99% of the time. Love you anyway.
really what it is I am going to be careful about what I believe, and who I support. I am not totally convinced LB is going to work out I just want to give him a chance.
I do not take offense, I respect everyones opinion and their right to have one
thanks for the hugs you too
Just do not swear for ANYONE. Put your trust in no man. In agreeance, we all somehow on different levels is givng Larry the benefit of the doubt because of Dannielyn’s sake , but I am apprehensive still.
that is a good conclusion, I am too but I love the baby so much, I want him to be good.
maryst,
There’s nothing wrong with giving a person the benefit of the doubt if that’s what you feel in your heart is the right thing to do. For me, the proof is in the pudding. I’m not from the show me state, but I’ll wait and see. I am from Anna’s birth state.
I am from Pa but live in Atlanta
Pa says you got a friend in Pa.
Nothing in particular just see the words from this song.
Love doesn’t ask why
It speaks from the heart
And never explains
Don’t you know that
Love doesn’t think twice
It can come all at once
Or whisper from a distance
So, don’t take things so seriously that you forget to live, and laugh and love and try….
To make somebody smile
Go the extra mile
Take a wrong and make a right
And try to touch somebody’s life
maryst,
Back atcha
Jane,
Love, Love, Love the new colors.
Lee AKA Sheppie,
Thank you for that beautiful poem.
It’s not my words, it’s 2 seperate songs. I just input what was said in the middle because it fits.
To me the difference between Howard and Larry in this Love Triangle…When Howard was ask by the Judge,how he felt about Anna,on the witness stand he said to the world that Anna was his everything and he said it proudly ….which to me is true love when you’re not ashamed of the person you have truly given your heart to …IMHO
But when Larry was ask by the Judge if Anna was the love of his life,what was it he said…do I have to answer that your Honor…?
To me that spoke volumes.. anybody can make a baby , but takes a special person to be a dad…Again IMHO
Pollyne,
That’s one of the reasons I have these burning reservations about him. I want to be fair to him, but memories create a real big hurdle for me to get over. I remember all of that stuff. Howard said in his eulogy that to him, Anna was perfect. Larry started talking about Anna stealing ketchup packages. LOL
I once thought these same ideas but have reconsidered and for DL sake will give him my support. They are two different men with two different relationships with the same women. Maybe much like mistress and spouse. I feel for both men. I do believe LB and find him to be real. They look at the same women thru different eyes. I think he loved Anna, and will probably for the rest of his life. Both men.
Pollyne, Post # 131,
agggghhhh, you are exactly right! This was one of the defining moments for me, the moment when I saw and heard the depth and beauty of Howard’s love for Anna Nicole.
I think even LB acknowledges HKS love for Anna was greater than his so I don’t understand why the comparisons. For LB it was about his child.
Maryst…
I never heard LB acknowledge that . HKS love was greater…I’m not saying he didn’t say that ,.just I don’t remember it…
But he did say on LK that he loved Anna and Anna loved him…She may have cared for him but in no way IMO she was IN LOVE with him…
We will just agree to diagree…OK …all is good…
He acknowledged it on the stand in Fl.
He told the judge Howard loved Anna
I think he was very honest on LK, I think he did love Anna and Anna loved him, or he believed she loved him. I would like him to keep the belief due to their daughter.
I am not challenging any one or their beliefs, I am only adding my perspective and ideas
Jane, it is not my intent to cause a problem on your board I will leave you with this and my reasoning are as follows:
Anna lied, HKS lied
to date I can not find one lie from LB. I think he knows more than he will ever tell. I have come to a very different conclusion than when I started this journey. I also wanted the love story, I simply find it unreliable after looking at the facts I have. If different fact arise I will of course adjust my conclusions.
maryst,
What did Anna lie about?
What did Howard lie about?
I find that Larry has lied, breached contracts, and son, on and so, forth…
I just don’t get it.
But he is a blue eyed boy.
Freida…….
Yes, he is a blue eyed boy. Blond too, with sort of a “pretty boy” look. Not a bad choice, I suppose, if a girl wanted to have a pretty little blond baby girl with blue eyes.
I do not have any compassion for Larry. He didn’t have any compassion for Anna when Daniel died, and that was proven in the e-mails and text messages he sent her in the Fla hearing over who got Anna’s Body.
Jane,
I love your Writing, you always hit the nail right on the head.
Maryst:
You are trying so hard! — Similar to when one finds himself/herself in an unpleasant relationship, but try desperately to convince themselves that it really is an idyllic situation. People whose hearts are bleeding for Larry will likely bleed to death before Larry can go through the metamorphosis of a worm to a butterfly.
Personally, I would love to see Virgie and Larry ride their broom to eternity.
P.S.
I think Larry’s crying spells are due to feelings of guilt. When Greta was interviewing him, she was so gentle!
I changed my mind. I think that Greta should pilot that broom carrying Larry and Virgie into the unknown.
Want to let you know I respect your feelings and completely understand them.
I was very upset about the email but have looked at LB frustrations. PPl become defensive and do terrible things. No on has looked at what he was put thru. Seems ideological to me
Love you all
Mary
Larry just couldn’t understand that he maybe loved and he lost. He couldn’t see himself being beat out by the LAWYER as he put it. He says lawyer because he can’t admit that there was love in the air and intimacy in the bedroom between Howard and Anna. Howard needs to dust off one of those tapes and drop his jaw. LOL
Mary, dont be upset darling everyone is trying to give you the respect you deserve i have been reading and setting on the middle of the fence to see if they were listening to you i think everyone is truly letting you speak your opion, i dont posting any more because for me my posting donot appear it doesnt matter if i agree or disagree i have been at QV sit long almost from the firsteven though i dont agree whith some of them i do beleive they are truly tryi
ng to be fair with you GAGI
Larry has yet to learn to keep private matters private. Had he exercised that common sense rather than calling the media, he would not have created the problems he created for himself. He carries a billboard inviting the world to love him because he is the cute, blue eyed-bond and then when it backfires, those who conspire with him, accuse others of having “put him through ….”. His desire to tell the public that he knows how to create babies must stem from the fact he does not feel masculine. Hard to imagine why he would think that!
When Larry brought a lawsuit against Anna, it was his attorney who had the duty to keep him in line and quiet. If he chose the wrong attorney, it was done maliciously so he could “get” Anna. When a person hires an attorney who has proven to be crass and a loud mouth, the client is to blame for choosing such a person.
Once he got “done” with Opri, ikt then became time to go back to the media to roll out the bill for all to see. Until Larry learns how to behave himself, what comes his way is well deserved.
Larry has finally accepted the fact that Howard is a well qualified attorney who can work things out outside the blinking lights. It would not have taken so long if he had accepted the fact Anna did not want him and should have therefore taken a hike. The thought of rubbing shoulders with celebrities and being intimately involved with a celebrity proved to be more than he could handle and life teaches some tough lessons.
Maryst:
Anyone who has made up his or her mind about Howard, Anna, Larry and Arthur is satisfied with his/her beliefes. Your posts at TMZ, here and elsewhere in hopes of changing people’s minds would only work on the minds of those who can be easily swayed.
How about putting your good efforts at freeing Paris? Her situation is very unfair. You may need to transfer your fight to another cause.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but if I was choosing what my child would look like, Howard would be the one lol.
Your post is uncalled for, I do not post on TMZ and have been with this site and QV’s for since March. I was at another site prior but it was never TMZ. I tried to defend HKS. You are correct about ppl and their beliefs but you do not need to insult me in your efforts.
Isabel,
I really don’t think he’s cute. His teeth are ugly. LOL
Isabel, It is not about swaying any one it is about not being closed minded, and looking at each idea or perspective
You call it being swayed easily I call it being responsible and objective.
Look what happen to Mike Nifong because he could not look at any other side.
maryst,
This is comparing apples to oranges in my opinion. It’s not that Nfong couldn’t have taken a different approach, knowing the law as I believe he does, he deliberately chose not to, even with no evidence.
Nifong was closed minded and did not look at any other perspective, only his, I am simply trying to look at all with out offending any one or their beliefs.
I have been reading the posts and would like to share my thoughts on the situation. Maryst, I agree with you so you are not alone in your opinion.
I believe Larry was used by Anna, maybe not from the first but eventually. As many has said before Anna was nearly 40 years old and wanted a beautiful blue eyed baby girl who she found in Larry to provide that in her life. She was determined to keep Larry around till that happened, a successful pregnancy with a girl. Larry moved from Kentucky to CA (on Anna’s wishes) to be with Anna, grow and improve his career where there was more business for him as a photographer. Once Larry got there he realized the inner circle and the people surrounding Anna. Anna had someone there for each thing in her life. Such as, Attorney , Doctor, bodyguard/paramedic and nurse. She even had an assistant who she was also intimate with. (A lot of kinky stuff went on there…probably why Kimmy chuckled when she talked about Anna and Howard being sexually intimate.) lol The list goes on…as EPU #87 listed above.
Seems to me Anna wanted Larry to be her exclusive photographer in her circle but Larry did not want that and wanted to be independent of her and make his own living as a photographer. Larry didn’t like all the people around and got his own apartment to share with Anna for privacy. I believe Larry did not fit in to Anna’s circle. Howard and Larry were probably jealous of each other. Anna told Larry she wanted to marry him. Larry buys her a ring. She kept Larry on a hook telling him he was the father, as he attended prenatal visits with her, took classes learning how to care for an infant, etc. They told each other they loved each other and probably had many tender moments together. They also had heated arguments…not sure about what besides Anna’s RX use while she was pregnant, but my guess is all of the above came into play in these arguments. As danigirl said, Anna and Larry were very much alike, their personalities clashed.
Before Daniel died Anna made Larry sign papers saying he would not go public with the fact that this was his baby. She gives Larry the final BOOT! And out of her “inner circle” her big family. Of course we all know he breached that contract when Howard put his name on the birth certificate and went public on LK stating he was the father of Dannielynn.
Maryst, I thought I also heard Anna state on the air that her and Larry did NOT have a relationship.
Anna did him wrong…for the sole purpose to have his baby and then not wanting to have anything to do with him or allowing him in his childs life.
To those who say Larry didn’t communicate with Anna for months and turn around and say he contributed to Anna’s death? How can that be? How did he know her state of mind if he didn’t talk to her? The Anna he knew was a very strong willed woman who had her circle of friends for all the support she needed (especially Howard). Larry stated and maybe Larry truly believes Anna would of had a change of heart after the DNA test (Anna agreed to take) that was supposed to be taken a few days after her death.
The romance Larry cherished with Anna, in his memory still lives on with him as he has a beautiful daughter from his brief relationship with her. God Bless them!
I read somewhere and I wish I could find it now, but it said Anna and Howard were planning to put Dannielynn in acting, singing and dancing school when she was of a certain age. And I can’t remember the ages, but I know I read it somewhere. So they were indeed planning to put Dannielynn in the spotlight very early on.
Jane, I found a video clip of a person named Nate who was with Anna up until the time she conceived he says. He speaks as if he knows the truth in many aspects of Anna’s life. If I may, I would like to post the site here. It’s very interesting. He says Anna confided in him and said she and Howard did have sexual relationship, but not an ongoing sexual relationship. He also states Anna told him Larry was the father and he goes on to say he was there when Anna conceived and knows Larry was the father.
I will understand if you do not want to post this being the source it came from, but I think it’s worth viewing since it answers many questions people have.
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/nates_video/
Thank You Jane for your wonderful articles!
Toni,
I believe this is all bs. This enquirer video is old and the guy is unbelievable. Look at his demeanor while he’s talking. She’s not here to defend herself, so how do we know he’s telling the truth. Everybody and their mamas have come out of the wood work like roaches, wanting to have a peek into the spotlight. You know the enquirer pays for trash.
one thing is for sure, and that is the many different stories we see, i believe through every pair of eyes, there is a different story to be told. for every pair of eyes, there is a different truth to be told. i love the story of janes, and i think she wrote it for all eyes to do what they would with. . i am trying to look with my eyes wide open, but its hard after supporting someone for so long . i would rather wear my rose colored galsses. its a prettier story
Toni, you will have a hard time here, I am ready to quit but do find a lot of your points valid. I do not find Anna to be a caring person about anyone other then herself. I do believe HKS loved her very much but find it hard to believe Anna could love anyone.
I find her world selfish and self centered.
I feel sorry LB got caught up in it but do believe he will do great after he realizes what happen to him.
I believe HKS knows his position and why he is silent and will remain so forever.
I do not think any one contributed to Anna’s death except Anna we can not blame LB or HKS.
I especially do not like the personal attacks Anna and HKS made against LB and can understand how hard it had to be on him.
Also it is obvious Anna and HKS were going to use DL for profit, it started with her birth and Anna talked about it on ET.
And when I use the word love it is my definition of the word I am basing my opinion
EJ, I’ve seen many old videos everywhere, even one from Anna herself from 1995 which Art put up. How do you know for a fact he is unbelievable? I think we all know for a fact many things he says are true, and he does say many things. Larry even said on Greta or Larry King or both, one of Anna’s demands were to get up at 4:00AM to get her food. (Greta says, like a slave) I agree with Maryst, he’s not saying everything! In fact Larry says “let me give you a better example” and goes to say what all Howard did for her as her attorney.
I wonder why since Anna and Howard had a sexual relationship and wanted a child, why do you think she took BC to prevent pregnancy with Howard? On the other hand, If what this guy Nate said is BS then Anna and Howard didn’t have a sexual relationship. Right?
Maryst, don’t worry. On Arts site I was told to go back to TMZ when I don’t post on TMZ. lol. just because we have an opinion that differs from theirs.
I agree about your opinion of Anna, Maryst. Anna was wild in her ways. I watched the Anna Nicole show and heard her use profanity with her son sitting right beside her. All that over studying for her drivers test. What kind of example is that for a mother to do. Another scene I found amazing in Season 1 the 3rd DVD under the deleted scenes, they were giving the dog Sugarpie Prozac! Anna was going on a date without the dog and she (the dog) had anxiety. Howard told Kimmy to mix the drug with peanut butter and for Anna to give it to her.
Anna is dead and is not here to defend herself against all these varied tales and accusations. Who amongst us is not free from sin?
Remember, Dannielynn, one day, will read all this negativity about her own mother. If I were bashing Anna, the way that many are, from talk-show hosts, to people who are filled wish such hatred, to posters, I would feel very guilty, knowing that I was doing that, to an innocent child (then adult) who did not ask to be brought into this world. If HKS is an enabler, then these people are contributors
Please, we can’t bring her back but, we can let her rest in peace.
CORRECTION “… …poeple who are filled WITH such hatred……
I have eyesight problems - as a result - I make many typos and don’t catch them, when I read back what I have written. Please excuse!
I totaly agree Gabrielle…
Let her RIP she suffered enough while she was here…
with all the Negtivity..
There’s nothing wrong with difference of Opinion…
But please can we just think of DannieLynn ,she is the most
important one now…moo
No one has to bash Anna…
Oops another “Who amongst us is free from sin?” Sorry - time to stop posting and just read When I am typing my comments, the type is so small but, it is a little larger when it is posted.
I know it is bashing Anna, but I have to look at this from a point of view of reality. I don’t think DL will read me.
She will however have to learn to deal with her mother legacy. It will have to come from honesty. It is my hope it will help her overcome maybe some of the same in which she could inherit traits. I believe our personalities are inherited and the more we understand it the better job we can do to address it. I believe most of Anna’s problems derived from her self serving mother. Anna never learned how to over come it. I think with LB as her dad, and I do not see him as the same personality, he will guide her along with therapy. We can all deny Anna’s drug abuse but the sooner this is address with therapy DL will be find. I suggest OT. I am sure there are other things out there to help. I noticed she does not make sounds. Larry needs to address this and from what I know OT would probably be the best along with speech therapy (combined speech with OT). The sooner in a child’s life this is addressed the better. Let us all pray for DL and guidance for LB.
Gabrielle, we are all with sin, born with sin nature, this is why God is so important.
This is not about judgment
It is about helping a little girl and her father
I have said constantly I loved Anna
I also say I understand her personality
and also if we are so concerned about DL why the one person left in her life we are hitting over the head over and over again with out regards to him?
Why aren’t we supporting him and helping him?
Why are we denying his love affair with Anna?
Why do we want DL to think any thing less?
Why do we have to continue with this love affair between Anna and HKS in which Anna constantly denied until the baby battle.
Wouldn’t it be better for DL to acknowledge LB and Anna relationship?
Maryst,
Unfortunately, I can’t answer all the whys; I only wish I could. I know it would make you feel better, for Danielynn’s sake, if you knew for certain that LB and Anna had had a wonderful, loving relationship. They may have had this; I hope they had for, LB’s (and Dannielynn’s) sake. A child born, to a man and a woman who loved each other, is a blessed child indeed. Unfortunately, we will never know this for sure; only Larry knows this. There are many who believe they did and, on the other hand, many thought they didn’t, so you are not alone in your theory. A few years down the road, Larry may prove himself to be an exceptional father e.g., being there for, and loving, Dannielynn, as much as any father possibly could. Hopefully, he will keep her away from all the cameras and paparazzi and let her live a normal a life as possible. I hope, for his sake, he will meet a significant other and I pray, that he will love this person as much as he says he loved Anna and that they will be a happy, normal family. I also hope this person will love Dannielynn as much as LB does which, IMO, he does seem to love her very much.
As for the love affair between Anna and HKS; I think that viewing the many, many tapes of Anna and Howard together, one can only draw one conclusion and, that is, that this man was hopelessly in love with this woman for a long, long, time. He wore his heart on his sleeve in every shot. I think she may have loved him in return but, not to the extent that he loved her. In other words, I don’t think his love was unrequited. I recently saw, during their commitment ceremony, where she wiped away a tear from her eyes, as they exchanged vows and this convinced me that she did love him somewhat. To what degree, I don’t know. I am of the opinion, that in a partnership, one person, in most cases, loves the other person more. I may be wrong.
Maryst, be patient, and one day, you may be able to say to us all, “I told you so!” In the meantime, try not to let it get you down.
Thank you for your kind words Gabrielle
I know this is getting to me by some of my post
I don’t deny HKS loved Anna, I always thought he did. What I mean is this love affair between the two of them was not an ideal one, or one that any mom would want for their son. She seemed rather abrasive and insensitive to his needs. I simply do not see the great love affair. I understand that this changed after Daniel died but she was still in contact with LB she said she would be jealous if he found some one else. While she needed HKS after Daniel’s death I don’t know if this was a true love affair. I could be wrong but I know how ppl act after a death and these feeling are not consistent.
I feel very bad about HKS and my heart truly feels sorry for his loss.
In the same token I feel just as bad for LB and I suppose the reason I am so concerned to post is because I feel bad for not looking at his lost.
I don’t feel like I am bashing Anna. It’s reality. Dannielynn’s life is the most important now. Dannielynn will not be reading my posts. She will however see her mother’s legacy. When she is old enough she will search and seek answers about her mother and brother.
Babies from the beginning are very astute with their surroundings. I hope Larry is telling her from now about how much her mommy loved her and showing her pictures of Anna and Daniel.
EPU’s comment said it very well concerning Larry and her mommy and daddies relationship. “What I would like to focus on is the raising of my daugher and showering her with enough love that when the time comes to explain all of this, I can tell her that though her mother and I were not together at the time of her birth, we both loved her fiercely and she was the best thing I got out of that time with herâ€.”
Anna used those she needed but once she told Larry it was over, he kept hanging on.
She also used Howard but since she kicked everyone to the curb except Howard, obviously Howard was more valuable to her and other men who chose to stick around did so at their own risk. That is no excuse to snatch the baby and take over all the perks that comes with the baby. Larry is benefitting from everything that came attached to Dannielynn and is taking it in stride as if it were meant for him.
When Howard supposedly told Anna she had to choose between Larry and him, she made the choice but Larry continued to call her. How would he have liked it if he were with Anna while another man disrespected him by sneaking in phone calls and sending gifts? Howard should have put his foot down, remind her that she chose him and to stop immediately or he would leave her? If he were serious, she would have stopped because Howard had far more to offer her than anyone else. She trusted him and felt safe because he accepted her in spite of her.
Daniel was her life, yet Larry harassed, insulted, and kept twisting that knife on her back while she mourned him. Every time another lawsuit was delivered or anyone else hurt her, Howard was there to pick up the pieces. Now he has to pick up the pieces, glue them together, hurt incredibly, while those she ran away from enjoy the fruits of his labor. He must keep quiet while the enemies work overtime to ensure that he is burned at the stake.
I do not see what some of you see.
IMHO, Howard loved ANS, Larry loved ANS, Howard Marshall loved ANS, Daniel loved ANS and even her Mother VA loved ANS in her own uneducated way. ANS left them all heart broken.
ANS was a very self centered selfish person and whatever was going on in her life had to be about, by and for her or it was unimportant. I have never heard about one incidence where she put someone elses wants or needs ahead of her own. She HAD to be the center of attention regardless of where she was and what was going on. I am deeply saddend for the life Daniel missed out on for having to take a back row seat so his Mother could be front and foremost.
Do I dislike ANS? No, not at all. I pity her because she was never a fully matured woman. She was never able to have a complete relationship with any person she was connected with and several people suffered due to that.
I thank GOD LB has Dannilynn and she is such a happy jubilent baby and I believe he will make sure her life is as happy and normal as is possible.
maryst, you have been fighting a losing battle, with the ones who chose to bebate you. i have read their tirades, against larry, on the qv site. and i commend you for using your intelligence, your common sense, and your logic. and rose said it so much better than i could have in just a few words, dannielynn is where she should be. anna loved anna first and formost. she learned to lie very early on. the thing that is a big question to me is. why did all these educated men that anna come in contact with and used for her own purpose. let a woman who had a drugged mind, have them do her bidding? there is no logic to that. howard loved anna, larry loved anna. and anna loved anna.
all the bricks that anna had stacked . came tumbling down. it was her doing and her undoing. it was her wanting what she wanted and nothing else came into play. she had to rule her queendom and who ever sought to stay with her. howard started with her when she was much younger, and she had a small boy, she had a giant family she was fighting. and howard could not walk away from her in ths time of need. and he fell in love with her, and he could do nothing about it. but he stayed, he understood what she needed. and to give her what she needed, he gave up his own lively hood for her. she needed 24-7. and when he worked on the marshall case and was so busy, she had other men to keep her so she would not be alone. howard knew this, did he like it, i doubt it. but what could he say. if he wanted to stay with her.. that is where larry came in. she was asked by someone on et i believe about larry, she says he keeps me from getting lonely. howard was working long hours then. larry wanted to keep working, he did not want to rely on anna, like howard did. he wanted to support them, unknowing he was way out of his depth. . where was the love for howard, i do not see it, he was a friend and she used him for what ever . and the one big fight they had when she went off to south carlina to see gbthompson,was i believe because she got pregnant . she had a thing with thompson, soley to use him, she told him he was tthe father. howard was her last hope. and howard loved anna ,and did what he had to do for her, gb got a house for her. any man would do anything for her. amd she learned at a very very young age , just what it was she could use , and she was a master at it.after daniel died, she decided she loved howard and wanted to get married. . where was the love . i see howards love from the beginning, and he could finally see his dreams coming true, and the bricks came tumbling down
Hello all,
My apologies for not getting the next article up sooner. It will be up tomorrow night by 9:00 p.m. (CT). I’ve had to do some research lately, in addition to the day job, the freelance work, and helping my daughter get situated now that she’s back in the States…but I’m almost done with Pt 9, and Pt. 10, the last article (well, unless I add an epilogue. LOL.) — will follow shortly thereafter. I’ve also got some issues to write about I think many of you will really be able to relate to after the Anna/HKS coverage here is concluded.
I appreciate — so much — your patience and continued support. I’m also amazed, in a good way, by the passion of your views. I have to say I’ve learned so much from you all — and the varied views only add to that. We may each disagree with another about an issue or a person, but the civility and respect shown allows ideas and thoughts to be explored.
So thank you for that, too. I’ll *see* you tomorrow night!
Ooooooh Jane,
The suspense has me on the edge of my seat. As always, I must commend you, you are talented beyond reasoning. Who else can captivate the reader from start to finish and make it seem effortless. Thanks again for your TIME, PATIENCE, SINCERITY and above all
your FAIRNESS. Wishing you all the best in what you do.
Thank you Jane and I can not wait until your next article.
Meg, I think it is why I am so upset with myself and also want to add ppl attitude are much different after a death. They want to respect the person who died and want to reason the death. I also know these feelings change with in time.
It is what I am saying about Anna and HKS. Anna’s feelings would not remain consistent towards HKS after Daniel’s death. It is human nature. Study ppl after some one dies and look how emotional they are but these feelings do not remain consistent.
keep coming back because I feel bad about one of my post
Realizing the comment I made about Anna and the way she loves. Is how I should have put it, I do not find it love. I don’t know what it is, the relationships Anna had with Daniel, and Vergie Arthur had with Anna, they call it love but not by the meaning of what love is. Can any one define what these relationships are?
maryst, i don.nt know if anna knew what love is. love has many eyes, its who is looking at what love is. your eyes see differently than mine or the millions of other eyes that look for love. . the kind of love you want may not be at all what i want. so not to confuse anyone . howard had his kind of love for anna, anna had her kind of love for howard. but what kind of love did she hve forhoward, is what i am saying. when someone dies, it is a vey sad thing, but that does not wipe away all the things the peson did , to hurt others . if we have to forget the bad things, then we have to forget the good things. i think every one has to go through both before you can get a good picture aof the person. i love my rose colored glasses, but i finally had to take them off and see my truth. anna and daniel would be alive today, if she had not tried to take danielynn away. had se stayed and dealt with things in an adult way. but she did’nt, so perhaps it was meant to be. i for one would nerer let anyone whos mind was filled with drugs, make any decisions on my part.
Maryst - so far I have counted 58 posts from you on this thread alone. While I realize and respect that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you seem to question almost everyone’s posts on this site as well and flip flop in your own opinions. As a result it is getting to the point where I have stopped trying to figure out where you are coming from and simply skip your posts.
This is Jane’s blog and I think that some of you will be interested, surprised, relieved and maybe even disappointed with what Jane has to say in her final installments concerning ANS/HKS. The one thing that I am sure of is that what ever Jane writes will be done with class and dignity.
Hopefully we can all agree on a couple of things.
1. Daniel was the love of Anna’s life and died way too young.
2. Anna never recovered from losing Daniel
3. Howard adored and protected Anna for over 12 years and is still doing so.
4. Dannielynn appears to be a happy and healthy child and is the only innocent party in this saga.
5. Everyone else in this tragedy had good sides, bad sides, did some things correctly and made mistakes in other areas. In other words, they are all human. It doesn’t make any of them good or bad, right or wrong, just human with the same foibles as all of us. I know I certainly wouldn’t want my life put under a microscope by the masses, many with differing agendas.
There have been 2 deaths, both at a young age, a family has been torn apart, and money has caused a lot of grief to all parties concerned.
Isn’t it about time that we let go a bit and finally let Anna and Daniel rest in peace while those surviving try as best they can to go on with their lives. There is an innocent child involved who will someday be reading this constant rehashing of what love is or isn’t, or who was to blame for what, and to what end?
There isn’t one of us here who knows the truth as we were not there. The only person who perhaps may have some of the answers is Howard and he is doing what he did while Anna was alive, protecting her, Daniel, their memories and the welfare of Dannielynn. He and Larry are working together for the good of Dannielynn. If they are able to show some respect to each other, how about we show some respect to those who have passed and are not alive to defend themselves.
EPU - I really enjoy reading your posts.
Well put! My mother’s daughter. Well put.
Thank you… People, please, buy a journal. Allow Jane and QV’s site to remain the social gathering of intelligence and fairness and fun that it was created and intended to be. To be fair minded , open and supportive. It was never created to be therapy for the unresolved issues you maybe struggling with.
Jane,Again Thank you and I will continue to be one of your avid readers looking forward to the penship your site has created.
Thank you for reminding us what this story was truly about…. love. Aside from the media, the speculation and opinions..It was about love.
I love reading Maryst’s posts and the amount of thought and feeling she puts into them show how concerned she is with being fair. Maryst has been painstaking in her effotrs to explain in detail why she feels the way she does about ANS and HKS. She also validates her conclusions by asking herself if certain behaviors of their’s would be acceptable within her own family. I respect the fact she uses the same yardstick in her personal life as she does in judging celebrities in the abstract.
SORRY TO HAVE MISSED ALL THE GREAT POST… I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT MY DAUGHTERS LAST BIOPSY/SURGERY FOR MALIGNANT MALANOMA CAME BACK NEGATIVE. THANK YOU SAINT JUDE FOR PRAYERS ANSWERED. THANK YOU JESUS CHRIST FOR PRAYERS ANSWERED. THANKS TO JANE AND TO MARYST. AND MARYST… IF YOU WANT TO WRITE TILL YOUR FINGERS FALL OFF, I UNDERSTAND. GOD BLESS…AND JANE I CAN’T WAIT FOR YOUR NEXT ARTICLEJ
I come here every day to check for new articles and new posts as well. Some of the differing, indepth opinions are as entertaining as the articles themselves, Thank you for your site, Jane. Carry on, all!
I have to laugh some one counted my post, but I do try to keep them short.
I have to agree about the way Anna loved is different then the way I perceive love.
Jane
you are a wonderful writer
I have stayed on the fence thro this whole story, and tried to give all of them the benefit of doubt
to many times I think the media plays with my mind
Thanks for the site
my mothers daughter, please do not accuse me of such mean things. I am not questioning any ones opinion, have repeatably said I respect other views and have said I am not trying to sway any one. So far on QV’s site I annoyed you and now it seems you think I post too much. Please leave me alone. I am working thru my problems here and Jane has never scolded me, if she did I would leave.
I am trying very hard to understand why I treated LB the way I did and trying to cure it.
I said ppl act different after death and want to blame someone, for me I blamed LB like others blamed HKS when in reality it was neither of their fault.
I am wanting ppl to know I was wrong in my opinion
Personally I admire ppl who can admit they made a mistake.
As you just put on QV’s site about respect, please give me the same curacy, I don’t bother you over there any more.
flip flop or not having tunnel vision, admitting I may be wrong which one is it? It can not be both
I to was against larry in the beginning, mainly because I felt he was going about everything in the wrong way. But as a forgiving person that I am, I hope that he can be a good father to her, and give her the chance at life that she deserves. But I still question him. There is something that he is holding back, but I think everyone that was involved with Anna had something to hid, whether it be the littlest thing to a big thing.
I don’t question Anna and Howards relationship. I feel that they both loved each other, but I feel that Howard loved her more. LOL and I don’t doubt that on and off that they never got jiggy with it once in a while. Sometimes friends do sleep together on and off, whenever their in the mood.
Maryst:
As you pointed out and as I pointed out, we both respect the right to an individuals opinion.
You are also correct that people change their opinions when new facts arise.
You have, however missed my entire point. I am not trying to be mean, quite the contrary. I am just pointing out that if people don’t hear what you have said the first time then I doubt they will hear you the 10th or 20th, let along the 58th. As it is it took you 3 posts to comment on my 1.
But let me clear some things up on how I still question Larry. When he’s being interviewed he sits and acts as if he’s the shy boy, soft spoken, and looks away from camera’s. But when he’s doing his job, he has no problem with running up to celebrities and getting all up in their business. Has no problem going up to a woman that he has his eye’s on and inviting her back to a party. Is he really a shy guy, or is he pushy, and goes after things that he wants? I dont question that he doesnt love Dannielynn, but I do quesiton, why he got Anna pregnant when he clearly stated he knew she had a problem with prescription drug use. Could the reason why he didnt care enough not to take action to prevent pregnancy, because he wanted to have a child with a celebrity, because that could gaurentee his status in hollywood? Or did he really love her, and wanted to create a child with her, and in the meantime was hoping being with child, would get her to stop all together?
Re: Isabel
Larry was/is Dannilynn’s Father. He had every right to fight ANS and Howard for his child. He also had every right to know what harm might come to the child through the drug use of ANS. I would love to know that my child’s Father would fight so hard for him/her. There are so many Fathers who can turn their back on their children and deny they belong to them in today’s times, however LB was there fighting tooth and nail and I have the utmost respect for him because of that.
It was wrong for ANS and HKS to run off to the Bahamas and try to boot LB out of any chance of having a relationship with his daughter. A Father of a child has just as many rights as a Mother does, and ANS had no right to try to deny Dannilynn and Larry a relationship. Just because she was the Mother, that does not convey ownership.
Rose~
Read my post above yours. If Larry was so concerned for his child safty due to ANS prescription drug use, why the heck did he create a child with her? when he knew she had a problem way before she got pregnant. I’m not trying to excuse ANS, I think they both should have known better. But when someone is not clear headed they tend not to think clearly, but he on the other hand who was in the right mind, should have known better.
joelie, i am not rose but i think larry made a baby twice with anna, because like howard he loved her and at that point,like howard would do what ever she asked. but also rember danielynn had no drugs in her system. so what ever anna did or did’nt do. she made sure dannielynn was born drug free.
mmd, as I said please leave me alone, please keep you comments about me to yourself I am quite tired of the insults
You do not know me, I could be disabled, or have another problem whatever it is please leave me alone, If it takes me 100 post until Jane tells me to go away I can still be here.
I don’t think I said the same thing over and over again
You insulted me on QV board and now you are here after all you talk about respect
seems to me you are the one if some one does not agree with your point that you attack I question why you even bother to respond to me considering the amount of dislike you demonstrate toward me
I do not miss your point quite to the contray
Did LB really understand the depth of Anna’s problems before the pregnancy or did he think she would stop as most mothers do when she got pregnant? What was Anna telling him? We do not know.
I find him to be credible and love DL for this I give both of them my support
Maryst, I did not see MMD insult you at all. Read this again
Maryst - so far I have counted 58 posts from you on this thread alone. While I realize and respect that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, you seem to question almost everyone’s posts on this site as well and flip flop in your own opinions. As a result it is getting to the point where I have stopped trying to figure out where you are coming from and simply skip your posts.
The way I am reading it, and I do agree with her, you are really starting to confuse people. We don’t know WHO you support or don’t support. Its very confusing to say the least.
I to am trying to support Larry, becaue Howard is obviously supporting Larry. And your right, we do not know what went on behind closed doors. And like I stated before, maybe he did think she would stop. Like some mothers do stop smoking cigarettes when they find out their pregnant. But all im saying is why take that chance into thinking she would stop?…why not see if she can stay off of them for a year or so, to prove to him that she could get off of them. I understand completly that people make mistakes in their life. But when the judge asked him if he knew of her drug use, why get her pregnant?..and he couldnt say why. I would have settled for, “i was stupid and wasnt thinking clearly.” Then I probably would have excused his behavior more.
Ahna, this is not the first time I was insulted, I know the way she feels about me and has made it very clear. It is petty complaining about the amount of post the first time on the other site she told me I am annoying
Joelie you are absolutely correct and that would have been a better situation,
but what we are dealing with now, DL is here and I want to support him because of her.
I am going to support him and whoever else that has her best interests at heart. And don’t milk her for every penny
DEAR JIMI, TONI, ALISON AND MEG,
THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND WORDS OF SUPPORT
MARY
JOELIE, I AGREE WITH YOUR POST.. ANNA WAS AT RISK DUE TO HER DRUG USE AND HER AGE[NOT OLD BUT INCREASED RISK FOR DEFORMITIES] HE USED EXTREMELY POOR JUDGEMENT, NOT ONCE BUT TWICE. I HAVE TO ? WHY HE DIDN’T REPORT THE DUFFLE BAG SITUATION AND HKS…IF IT REALLY HAPPENED. THAT IS NEGLIGENT!!! SORRY, THAT HAS STUCK IN MY MIND AS WELL AS THE NASTY E-MAILS PRE AND POST DELIVERY. HE ACTED SO INNOCENT.. BUT HE CONTINUED TO PUSH HIS CAUSE EVEN AFTER SHE LOST HER SON. THAT IS TOTALLY INSENSITIVE! YES, THE WHOLE LOT OF THEM WERE UNCONVENTIONAL BUT SHE WAS STILL A PERSON WITH FEELINGS AND SHE WAS GRIEVING FOR HER SON. I HAVE BEEN CONSISTENT WITH MY OPINIONS… AND BELIEVE ME THERE’S MORE TO THIS STORY…WE JUST HAVEN’T HEARD ABOUT IT YET. SOME THINGS JUST DON’T ADD UP. J
Maryst, I have not seen MMD insult anyone, let alone you. There are a couple of people on QV’s site, Jane’s site, Art’s site and some other sites who are just as confusing as you can be at times. I am not trying to insult you, and neither is MMD, but come on now, make up your mind on how you feel, so the rest of us can understand.
Okay, enough. This thread was not meant to create or condone hostility, or for arguments that have no resolution, and the discussion has seemed to turn for the worse.
It is possible to post an opinion without criticizing other opinions. We’ve always managed to do that. It’s part of the posting etiquette of this blog, but it really didn’t have to be — like I said, the people who gather here have really been great at treating others with dignity.
Another part (included in “Posting Faqs” page) is that posts should not continuously repeat the same information. Whether it’s to defend an opinion or not, that type of repetiveness is not necessary.
Also, disagreements from other sites will NOT be carried over here. It’s inappropriate to use this forum for that purpose, and frankly — I don’t like it. I don’t think most contributors do. So enough. If an argument needs to be had, then please mediate it through your own emails, or if that’s not possible, try to let it go.
MD made an excellent point. No matter who we are, or what our opinions are, none of us can claim to know the perfect truth. The best each of us can do is try to understand people as human beings and not just as caricatures….and try to understand the facts in the context of the people who created them.
This site is meant as a place of understanding. Sometimes, yes, there will be things that are sore subjects or personally frustrating….but that is cause for discussion, not bitterness.
PEACE to all.
JANE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEVINE INTERVENTION. ENOUGH SAID J
This is not to put anyone down in anyway…PLEASE do not take this as favoring one over the other…But we are all entitled to our Opinions,and who we support…and it is ok to question why we support one over the other..as to how we have arrived at that decison.
I think a lot of the difference as to with HKS..there are a lot of guessing going on…
Why , because HKS is working behind the scence…and it’s hard to see with him what is really going on…I have the upmost respect for him for wanting to keep himself out of the media…and still continue with his protecting Anna..he protected her in life in moo..
and he contiues to protect her in death…again moo..
The thing is HKS continues to work behind the scenes..and LB is working the Cameras..
which is his right to do so…only thing is.. why is it necessary to bring DannieLynn along
to all the Media Shows.?..
I PRAY that LB will always be on her side and always want to make sure she is first beyond everything else..I believe he loves her and wants to do the right thing…
But… HKS had ths baby for the first seven months of her life…so he also loves her and wants the very best for her..
I am a strong supporter of HKS and have always been even before this Saga began…
and I truly feel he has been put tthrough the ringer..((((UNJUST ))))for his every move .
I was so hopeing he ((HKS))))was the real Dad…but since he wasn’t ..I hope the best for Larry and his precious daughter…
I will continue to Pray that Howard can get on with his life and find true love again….
((((Hugs)))))) Howard….
Hey Everyone! Howard talked with Art…Here’s his the latest…
http://www.artharris.com/
I hope this hasn’t already been posted. If so, please forgive me!
Jane I’m so sorry .Please delete … I was posting the same time you were…
But is is never my intent to hurt anyone and I hope that no one will be…Thanks…
Jane you’re the greatest and I look forward to all your Articles…
Hey Jane! See what happens when the intermission is too long!
; )
Looking forward to your next post!
Pollyne, your post is fine!
Micha, that was funny. You made me laugh.
Jane, please just allow me to clarify since I seem to be confusing to some of your readers. I support Anna, Howard, Larry and first Dannielynn.
Rose:
I would have immense respect for Dannielynn’s father’s fight for her and would lavish praise on him if I were sure he would fight just as hard if Dannielynn was a poor child whose mother was barely making ends meet.
Jane,
I am leaving tomorrow on a 10 day vacation. I don’t want to miss reading the last two parts. Will they be placed in your archives?
Yes, AP, they will remain up for a couple of months. Thanks for inquiring, and enjoy your vacation! - Jane
Isabel, how do you know that LB would NOT have fought just as hard if his daughter was from a poor class? You are assuming that LB only wanted his child because of her being ANS daughter and for money. There is no way possible any one could know that.
I could sit here and point fingers at LB, HKS, VA, Larry Hart, ANS, Howard Marshall, however I also realize when I am pointing a finger at someone else, there are always three pointing back at me.
Dannilynn is such a beautiful happy baby, and from all appearances LB is loving having her. My heart breaks for Daniel, but the rest of the players in this entire situation made choices on which road they wanted to take at the fork. The events that have followed are the results of those choices by all parties involved.
My judgment of anyone comes from what I hear them say, their body language and their actions past and present, if available. Despite the new morality, I feel that deep down when people love each other, marriage is what comes first.
I was a “good girl” who never disobeyed my parents and I led a very sheltered life. Dating was not allowed. Boys were not to be associated with. Even male cousins were to be kept at a distance. My mother was/is a very proper person, very strict and she ruled the roost. Marriage happened after some miracle brought Prince Charming to a Princess’ doorstep and proposed. At the age of 21 I became involved with someone with whom I became intimate. He was handsome, charming and 32. I was very lonely but it was not love. Had we been in love and he were a decent man, marriage would have come first. Morality is not a governing factor, common sense is.
The rest is history….
I am now 57, feel that I have lived a very long life. I have witnessed a lot, I feel that I understand people very well, I know what to say and what not to say. I feel that I have a deep understanding of the human behavior; as a result of what I have seen and experienced, I am somewhat cynical. Whatever I observe I keep it to myself and learn from it but I do not tattle, nor do I overlook something that is illegal and should be reported, however.
I believe that Howard was an innocent man who found himself trapped in a snake pit but was determined to conquer the snakes.
In my opinion, Larry was a mischievous man, determined to get ahead and plunged head first. Whatever got in his way had to be pushed aside so that he could arrive at his planned destination.
Arthur, in my opinion, is someone who came from a rough background, learned to forge ahead to maneuver the rocky road, but rather than using that sad experience to learn and be kind to others, decided her boots were made for walking and damn anyone who got in her way. Those boots will step and squash whatever dares to not step out of her way. Men are to be used like walkers are used by the infirm and the terrain they travel is rough. Once they outlive their usefulness, they are replaced.
Beautiful Dannielynn is the product of all the attention and love she received during the first few months of her live. There is a lot that can affect her outcome in life. Innocence and beauty are fleeting.
Wow Isabel!! Well, in my 60 years of living, having seen and experienced many things, my opinion is totally opposite of yours, but that is what makes the world go round.
Isabel, I loved the post you just put up. I agree with your assessment of those concerned in this saga. I’ll always be in Howard’s corner. And, of course, Dannielynn’s.
Isabel
Love what you wrote.. You think a lot like I do.. could we be twins?
Susie:
That’s funny! Maybe we are.