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		<title>By: Jane Devin</title>
		<link>http://janedevin.com/2009/02/15/delusional-parents-or-cops-in-the-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-10794</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Devin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate your view and individual situation.  I was involved with the Osseo and Carver County school districts for a number of years, and my own son had an IEP due to short-term memory problems and ADHD, so I am not speaking from a place of no knowledge of my own.

An IEP &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a cooperative venture between the school and the parents, and many parents &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; refused them out of the belief that it sets their child apart, or that there is a stigma attached to conditions in the IEP, such as outside counseling and evaluation. 

Funding has been cut in many districts which may have made IEP&#039;s more difficult to get for parents who want them, which seems to be what you are saying, however my experiences with Hennepin County Social Services have largely been positive.  I have yet to meet a parent who was unable to find counseling for themselves or their child, regardless of income or insurance status.  You may be the first.

However, my article was not about how difficult it is or is not to find mental health services, nor was it about how well-meaning parents find themselves frustrated by a broken system -- it was about one child in Florida whose parents believe no such services were necessary.  We do not know what kind of evaluation took place, or the quality of the evaluation, because those records are confidential.  The child was released in the morning because that was the extent of the hold. 

The child is obviously in pain.  My point was and is that the school has very limited resources and control over that -- it is the parents responsibility -- yet the parents refuse to believe that their son needs help.  

I understand that your frustration over your individual situation informs your reaction, but again, this was not a story about parents who can&#039;t find the help they need, it was about parents who don&#039;t think help is necessary. 

I would have written quite a different article if the parents were suing over lack of any help being available for the child in question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate your view and individual situation.  I was involved with the Osseo and Carver County school districts for a number of years, and my own son had an IEP due to short-term memory problems and ADHD, so I am not speaking from a place of no knowledge of my own.</p>
<p>An IEP <em>is</em> a cooperative venture between the school and the parents, and many parents <em>have</em> refused them out of the belief that it sets their child apart, or that there is a stigma attached to conditions in the IEP, such as outside counseling and evaluation. </p>
<p>Funding has been cut in many districts which may have made IEP&#8217;s more difficult to get for parents who want them, which seems to be what you are saying, however my experiences with Hennepin County Social Services have largely been positive.  I have yet to meet a parent who was unable to find counseling for themselves or their child, regardless of income or insurance status.  You may be the first.</p>
<p>However, my article was not about how difficult it is or is not to find mental health services, nor was it about how well-meaning parents find themselves frustrated by a broken system &#8212; it was about one child in Florida whose parents believe no such services were necessary.  We do not know what kind of evaluation took place, or the quality of the evaluation, because those records are confidential.  The child was released in the morning because that was the extent of the hold. </p>
<p>The child is obviously in pain.  My point was and is that the school has very limited resources and control over that &#8212; it is the parents responsibility &#8212; yet the parents refuse to believe that their son needs help.  </p>
<p>I understand that your frustration over your individual situation informs your reaction, but again, this was not a story about parents who can&#8217;t find the help they need, it was about parents who don&#8217;t think help is necessary. </p>
<p>I would have written quite a different article if the parents were suing over lack of any help being available for the child in question.</p>
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		<title>By: MNmommy from HuffPo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MNmommy from HuffPo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, I left a knee jerk response to you on Huffington Post.  I&#039;m not sure if I am obliged to apologize or not, especially now that it appears to have been scrubbed.

It is not easy to come to terms with the possibility that your child has real mental health issues.  Once you check your gut for the 400th time, thinking something is just not right with your child - you have to get through the denial.  After that...

It is not easy to get an IEP, it is not easy to find a hospital bed for a child in crisis with mental health issues, it is not easy to find a child/adolescent psychiatrist, it is not easy to find services period!!!

It sounds like this child has anxiety issues, at a minimum, therefore the temper tantrum.  It sounds like these parents are still in denial, afraid and just reacting.

I think the police may have done the right thing - but look - the child was released the next morning which means there was absolutely not enough time to conduct any kind of meaningful evaluation of the child.

Do yourself a favor before making long distance judgments about situations with which you are not familiar.

Contact Pacer Center: http://www.pacer.org/
Contact the Hennepin County Children&#039;s Mental Health Collaborative: http://www.co.hennepin.mn.us/portal/site/HCInternet/menuitem.3f94db53874f9b6f68ce1e10b1466498/?vgnextoid=208db6764b9fc010VgnVCM1000000f094689RCRD

Do some research about how many child/adolescent mental health providers, especially psychiatrists are in the area, remember to ask what insurance they accept and if they are taking new patients.  See how long it takes to get in to see a well respected provider.

This really isn&#039;t a situation to just react to and blog about.  After some research, blog away.  And contact Minnesota Association for Children&#039;s Mental Health, http://www.macmh.org/ I&#039;m sure they&#039;d welcome your advocacy.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, I left a knee jerk response to you on Huffington Post.  I&#8217;m not sure if I am obliged to apologize or not, especially now that it appears to have been scrubbed.</p>
<p>It is not easy to come to terms with the possibility that your child has real mental health issues.  Once you check your gut for the 400th time, thinking something is just not right with your child &#8211; you have to get through the denial.  After that&#8230;</p>
<p>It is not easy to get an IEP, it is not easy to find a hospital bed for a child in crisis with mental health issues, it is not easy to find a child/adolescent psychiatrist, it is not easy to find services period!!!</p>
<p>It sounds like this child has anxiety issues, at a minimum, therefore the temper tantrum.  It sounds like these parents are still in denial, afraid and just reacting.</p>
<p>I think the police may have done the right thing &#8211; but look &#8211; the child was released the next morning which means there was absolutely not enough time to conduct any kind of meaningful evaluation of the child.</p>
<p>Do yourself a favor before making long distance judgments about situations with which you are not familiar.</p>
<p>Contact Pacer Center: <a href="http://www.pacer.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pacer.org/</a><br />
Contact the Hennepin County Children&#8217;s Mental Health Collaborative: <a href="http://www.co.hennepin.mn.us/portal/site/HCInternet/menuitem.3f94db53874f9b6f68ce1e10b1466498/?vgnextoid=208db6764b9fc010VgnVCM1000000f094689RCRD" rel="nofollow">http://www.co.hennepin.mn.us/portal/site/HCInternet/menuitem.3f94db53874f9b6f68ce1e10b1466498/?vgnextoid=208db6764b9fc010VgnVCM1000000f094689RCRD</a></p>
<p>Do some research about how many child/adolescent mental health providers, especially psychiatrists are in the area, remember to ask what insurance they accept and if they are taking new patients.  See how long it takes to get in to see a well respected provider.</p>
<p>This really isn&#8217;t a situation to just react to and blog about.  After some research, blog away.  And contact Minnesota Association for Children&#8217;s Mental Health, <a href="http://www.macmh.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.macmh.org/</a> I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;d welcome your advocacy.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Doris Rose Macbean</title>
		<link>http://janedevin.com/2009/02/15/delusional-parents-or-cops-in-the-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-10782</link>
		<dc:creator>Doris Rose Macbean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, what Wicked said!!</description>
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		<title>By: kris D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>kris D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 23:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ugh. it&#039;s so disheartening to hear stories like this especially since i have toddlers that will eventually join the ranks in public school. i can&#039;t afford private school here in LALA land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ugh. it&#8217;s so disheartening to hear stories like this especially since i have toddlers that will eventually join the ranks in public school. i can&#8217;t afford private school here in LALA land.</p>
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		<title>By: Wicked Thistle</title>
		<link>http://janedevin.com/2009/02/15/delusional-parents-or-cops-in-the-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-10767</link>
		<dc:creator>Wicked Thistle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 21:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The saddest part?  The antagonism that now exists between the school and the parents will prevent them from doing any meaningful work together to help this child.  The two entities that together spend 24 hours a day with this boy could do so much to evaluate what&#039;s happening and why, perhaps even--gasp!--helping him to learn how to express what he&#039;s feeling so that he doesn&#039;t *have* to spin out of control.  Can you imagine feeling so frustrated/angry/unheard/crappy/whatever that the only way you can tell people is by throwing things, hitting and yelling?

This kid&#039;s in pain.  I&#039;m sure a lawyer will help heaps with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The saddest part?  The antagonism that now exists between the school and the parents will prevent them from doing any meaningful work together to help this child.  The two entities that together spend 24 hours a day with this boy could do so much to evaluate what&#8217;s happening and why, perhaps even&#8211;gasp!&#8211;helping him to learn how to express what he&#8217;s feeling so that he doesn&#8217;t *have* to spin out of control.  Can you imagine feeling so frustrated/angry/unheard/crappy/whatever that the only way you can tell people is by throwing things, hitting and yelling?</p>
<p>This kid&#8217;s in pain.  I&#8217;m sure a lawyer will help heaps with that.</p>
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		<title>By: SusanS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SusanS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dozen years or so ago when  my kids were in elementary school there was a Dad who came in complaining to the principal about how his kid was always getting in trouble on the playground for picking on the younger kids.  He indignantly demanded that the younger kids NOT BE ALLOWED on the playground at the same time as the older ones, so his kid wouldn&#039;t keep getting in trouble!!  

It&#039;s surprising how MANY parents just can&#039;t wrap their heads around the idea that their babies could ever do anything wrong!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dozen years or so ago when  my kids were in elementary school there was a Dad who came in complaining to the principal about how his kid was always getting in trouble on the playground for picking on the younger kids.  He indignantly demanded that the younger kids NOT BE ALLOWED on the playground at the same time as the older ones, so his kid wouldn&#8217;t keep getting in trouble!!  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s surprising how MANY parents just can&#8217;t wrap their heads around the idea that their babies could ever do anything wrong!</p>
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